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http://www.startrek.com/article/first-look-attack-wing-wave-8-queen-vessel-prime

This is exactly why my group at one venue is agreeing to not use any Borg during the Resistance is Futile OPs.

I am not likely the Queen's fleet action. It is not worded very well and is going to lead to problems. The multi kinetic neutronic mines are disgustingly good. Transwarp signal is indeed broken. It doesn't say when you have to use it, just discard and its only 4 points, plus you can pit one on each ship. Should be at least 5 and cost an action.

I just started this game, and it appears to me that the power creap (or should i Say run) is getting a little out of control.

cawizkid wrote:
I just started this game, and it appears to me that the power creap (or should i Say run) is getting a little out of control.

Don't get discouraged. If you play faction pure and take out the Borg it is really a great game. Right now the power creep really only effects OPs because WK wants local venues to male house rules and handle things themselves. They have been doing it that way with their other games for years. That is why in their event system TOs have a space to put any house rules they want.

A lot of TOs are making the move to limit the craziness. Some others are a little slower because the game is only about a year old. However since the reports from the regionals have come out and the scenarios for RIF there is even more of general demand for limitations.

Wow just wow, I little overboard. I think I'm going to have to suggest a borg ban for our venues as well

I would feel bad trying to get Borg banned at our shop. One of our players only plays Borg (not in any over the top way besides the inherent cheesiness) and is completely helpless when she has to try and move using the normal maneuver templates.

We do play faction pure, but they're still a bit much. I actually lost to her because I was playing Romulans and she was using three scout cubes with 'you don't get defense dice' weapons. So that was pretty terrible. It didn't help that I missed with my 7 attack shot with Bok's Marauder :(


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At any rate, I'm not a fan of them getting even better. Almost as irritated as I am about all the anti-cloaking stuff they keep pumping out. Without Borg and Transphasic torpedoes (etc.), cloaking is pretty strong, but I never would have considered it to be overpowered.

Transphasic torpedoes don't bother me so much. Most of the time they only get between 4-6 hits on top of being a 10pt discard. I have only one seen them get that one big score, one shoted mynpoor Sutherland flagship . Aside from that they usually don't make up their points. Though I did hear one guy at my last OP say he was using the with 2 Tactical Stations and Tuvok for 15 dice

I feel like the Borg have reached the level equivalent to the big monster in D&D. In a special scenario yeah you can play them, but you really can't take a Dragon through a dungeon crawl. The Borg are just too good and powerful for the confines of the OP environment or the stats x2 points system.

I don't like the idea of telling someone they can't take the fleet they want in a tournament, but on the other side of that almost every other tournament system has some kind of limitations. I can't really take an army of Baneblades to a regular 40K tournament. You can't throw down Tantive IV in a regular X-Wing tournament. Magic has a whole bunch of restrictions depending on the tournament type. So given all that plus the fact that there are tone of ships and captains to choose from, I don't see a problem in restricting these few.

Hmm. My opponents usually get 7-8 hits. You guys seem to be doing it wrong.

I understand where you're coming from, but so far we've been relying on people not being abusive. If anyone does pull off something really terrible or unbeatable our TO will put the kibosh on it real quick. So far it's worked. Doesn't mean I like being pinged to death (with no defense) by a bunch of cubes, but they're not really that bad. Mostly just annoying and a little too uneven. I doubt a voyager build would have even cared. :(

Well at the last OP I went to 3 out of 6 people had cubes with double hull armour and feedback pulse plus 2 of them also had flagships. The borg 12 die attack didn't scratch them so transphasics doesn't have much of a chance.

A bit of an aside here- local player who has NEVER played STAW picked up two Borg cubes. He didn't even read the rule book. He played one practice game, then walked into a tournament with 22 people and placed third- it was actually a 3-way tie for first place. He lost the roll off for the tie breaker.

THAT right there tells me just how broken the Borg are. When a new player to the game can pick up two Borg Cubes, and with good dice, stomp all through a tournament to basically a three way tie for 1st...

Looks like instead of a pair of balls on the table, we're gonna be seeing 2d8's now.

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
This is exactly why my group at one venue is agreeing to not use any Borg during the Resistance is Futile OPs.

I am not likely the Queen's fleet action. It is not worded very well and is going to lead to problems. The multi kinetic neutronic mines are disgustingly good. Transwarp signal is indeed broken. It doesn't say when you have to use it, just discard and its only 4 points, plus you can pit one on each ship. Should be at least 5 and cost an action.

totally agree on transwarp signal,


but the mines are not as good as you think,

10 pts, you AUTO hit yourself with no def dice if you place them on a ship in range, and they are super easy to avoid as you literally have to overlap the token to trigger them.

4 attack dice is a downgrade for that many pts IMO


awkward wording on lots of the other cards too tho

Looks like you can use Resistance is Futile with Borg Missiles to shut down a Weyoun/Varel combo. Expensive and Borg. Not sure I like that as a solution to attack cancellation.


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Nevermind. RiF cannot be used that way. Ugh

 easysauce wrote:

but the mines are not as good as you think,

10 pts, you AUTO hit yourself with no def dice if you place them on a ship in range, and they are super easy to avoid as you literally have to overlap the token to trigger them.

4 attack dice is a downgrade for that many pts IMO


awkward wording on lots of the other cards too tho

You can PLACE them on an enemy ship, that triggers them

yes, and when you place them, within range one, on an enemy ship,

you hit yourself every time with a no def dice attack,

now that mine field wont be triggered until someone overlaps it again, sure against a tightly packed horde of 4 or more ships it starts to be decent, but its a 10 point card, against 1/2 ship fleets half the damage you do is to yourself.

The events around here have either specifically banned Borg, or banned all ships with a natural 360 degree firing arc (which is a stealth ban of the Borg). The Borg have no place in a truly balanced competitive play environment anyhow, not in the way that Wizkids have done them, at any rate.

yeah, you dont put a heavy firepower ship with 360 on the best movement dial in the game without them actually paying points for it....

wizkids makes feds pay primary +1 for a range 2 360,

so should borg at LEAST pay the same for a range 3 360

not to mention the movement dial.

Saw it in play last night. It's a very pretty looking ship for the Borg. I think it'll replace the Sphere as the go to ship for Borg.