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While list bashing as I am wont to do I came up with this
let me kano what you thinks

YT Troubles

Han Solo w Swarm tactics + Engine Upgrade
Wild Space Fringer w Outrider + Heavy Laser Cannon + Engine Upgrade

I have no idea whether it will be effective but the engines give all sorts of maneuvering shenanigans and double turrets seems fun ;-)

cheers

Papasmurf

Initial thoughts:

Broadly similar to a dual falcon list.

Vulnerable to swarms, particularly bomber swarms that have the durability to take a few shots on the way in and will then burn you with cluster missiles, torps and other high-die attacks.

Engine upgrade doesn't help you here, as you'd be wanting a focus or evade (if possible) for defensive purposes.

Good counter to phantom lists that aren't packing VI.

Winter
I agree with the vulnerability to bomber swarms but in the local meta I honestly don't remember the last time I saw a bomber hit the table

I feel it would be less vulnerable to regular tie swarms as in that instance using the engine upgrade SHOULD (if i dont feth up royally) stay at range 2, denying that extra attack die and allowing me to focus

I am hoping that the two turrets with 360 arc will help even my dice deal with a tie a turn lol

cheers

Papasmurf