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SO, I play skaven and my bud plays Ogre Kingdoms. Battles have been going well and we have learned many of the rules.

We have a confusing area with wounds and ogres. I read in the rule book about having to remove complete models if you can with regular wounds tom a unit, BUT If i was to cast scorch on a unit of 8 ogres i would hit 4 of them with the small round template. The template rules then say that that equals out to 4 hits from the template, good. Now lets say I roll 4 6's and get 4 wounds. Would this do 4 wounds to the unit of ogres resulting in one dead ogre and another with 2 wounds left. OR 4 ogres that were under the template with 2 wounds left.

not sure if I have posted this in right area... new here

any replies that help are welcome



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In the case of causing wounds to multi-wound models you just add up the total number of wounds and remove that many wounds-worth of models. So, if you did 4W total you would remove 1 ogre (3W) and also leave a wound marker on the unit so there would be an ogre left with only 2W.

If you then hit the unit again and did 5W you would remove two ogres as you add this to the one wound remaining on the unit and the total is 6W i.e. two of the ogres are now dead.


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 John Rainbow wrote:
In the case of causing wounds to multi-wound models you just add up the total number of wounds and remove that many wounds-worth of models. So, if you did 4W total you would remove 1 ogre (3W) and also leave a wound marker on the unit so there would be an ogre left with only 2W.

If you then hit the unit again and did 5W you would remove two ogres as you add this to the one wound remaining on the unit and the total is 6W i.e. two of the ogres are now dead.


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So my friend can't spread his wounds around to avoid panic checks and loss of attacks?

No, that was a 5th edition 40k trick with complex unit (i.e. nobs all equipped differently). Spreading wounds has never been a thing in fantasy that I can recall.

Basically, each hit can only ever kill 1 Ogre. And excess wounds do not bleed over.

Say you inflict 3 wounds with multiple wounds D3.

The multiple wounds rolls are,

3, 2, and 3.

The first wound kills an ogre. The second causes 2 wounds. The third finishes off the injured ogre.


If the unit has 2 wounds on it, and an attack that causes D6 wounds hits it once and rolls a 6 for wounds caused, only one ogre dies and the 2 floating wounds disappear.

 Grey Templar wrote:


If the unit has 2 wounds on it, and an attack that causes D6 wounds hits it once and rolls a 6 for wounds caused, only one ogre dies and the 2 floating wounds disappear.

This is incorrect, you would do 3 wounds removing one ogre and floating two wounds.

a wound causing multiwounds can each do up to the maximum number of wounds on the profile of the model hit regardless of the number of wounds on the unit, you then tally all the wounds caused and remove the corresponding number of models "floating" the leftover wounds.

*Edit : Poor reading and math*

People always get this wrong, even though the question pops up every week or so
Models within units composed of multi-wounds models do NOT have individual wounds
Units have a wound pool
There's two times when the wound value of individual wounds is taken into account:
- to calculate the unit's wound pool
- to cap multi-wound rolls

 Grey Templar wrote:
Basically, each hit can only ever kill 1 Ogre. And excess wounds do not bleed over.

Say you inflict 3 wounds with multiple wounds D3.

The multiple wounds rolls are,

3, 2, and 3.

The first wound kills an ogre. The second causes 2 wounds. The third finishes off the injured ogre.


If the unit has 2 wounds on it, and an attack that causes D6 wounds hits it once and rolls a 6 for wounds caused, only one ogre dies and the 2 floating wounds disappear.

I'm not sure where to begin with how wrong this is.
Okay. You're not wounding models, you're wounding the unit. lets say theres 8 ogres on a plate. you deal 4 wounds. You kill whole models first, so 3 of the 4 wounds will be allocated to one model, killing it. The last wound will carry over to hit another model. Next time you hit that unit, he will have to allocate further wounds to that wounded model first until it is dead, and further wounds carry on the next, like a series of cups spilling over.

Here's how I interpret it; template hits and each hit is D3 wounds, therefor total the wounds and subtract that amount of models, if all of the hits and D3's = 11, then remove 3 fresh ogres and carry 2 wounds

However if it was a stone thrower and the guy under the whole took d6 wounds, which roles a 5, just take him away because they are on him

Pyeatt - no, you dont wound a specific model. The unit has a wound pool, to which any appropriate model can have 3 assigned to kill it. This stops you have attacks from two flanks "wounding" models differently - they both conspire to kill one model, not injure 2.

Except with cannons and bolt throwers...

Unless theyre RnF, in which case you still remove from the back, even if front row bob was killed.

It only really matters in those cases a) for characters / champions and b) still only really for characters / champions

 Grey Templar wrote:
Basically, each hit can only ever kill 1 Ogre. And excess wounds do not bleed over.

Say you inflict 3 wounds with multiple wounds D3.

The multiple wounds rolls are,

3, 2, and 3.

The first wound kills an ogre. The second causes 2 wounds. The third finishes off the injured ogre.


If the unit has 2 wounds on it, and an attack that causes D6 wounds hits it once and rolls a 6 for wounds caused, only one ogre dies and the 2 floating wounds disappear.

Entirely wrong and also does not answer the question in the OP which is not even asking about multiple wounds.

Please look at my original response and let me know if you have more questions


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So my friend can't spread his wounds around to avoid panic checks and loss of attacks?

As others have said, no you can't.

Units have wound pools, and when you blast a unit, you blast the wound pool, not the single ogre. so, lets say you had 10 ogres in a unit, so 30 wounds in the pool. You blast them and get 8 wounds, taking 8 from the wound pool, killing 2 ogres and dropping 2 wounds on another, you never target individual units unless specifically stated by rules, so no, you cannot move wounds around in fantasy to avoid panic checks. Same goes with multi-wound attacks, lets say you land 3 multi-wound (D3) attacks on the same unit of ogres with 30 wounds. After you multiply your wounds from 3 to, lets say 7 wounds, you take those 7 from the ogres wound pool, killing 2 and doing 1 wound on another. Hope this helps, and I wrote this correctly