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Casual competitive list blending a somewhat fluffy feel with decent performance. Compulsory stipulations are the Avatar, and no allies or forge world allowed. Footdar was once a thing, this is an homage to it, while still not trying to get run over. If you have any fun/fluffy suggestions please feel free to share!


HQ – Avatar of Khaine w/ Fast Shot

Troops – 10x Guardian Defenders w/ Bright Lance

Troops – 10x Guardian Defenders w/ Bright Lance

Troops – 10x Guardian Defenders w/ Bright Lance

Troops – 10x Guardian Defenders w/ Bright Lance

Troops – 10x Guardian Defenders w/ Bright Lance

Troops – 10x Guardian Defenders w/ Bright Lance

Elites – 8x Harlequins w/ Troupe Master & Harlequin’s Kisses

Fast Attack – 6x Swooping Hawks

Fast Attack – 6x Swooping Hawks

Fast Attack – Crimson Hunter Exarch

Heavy Support – 6x Dark Reapers w/ Starswarm Missiles

Heavy Support – 6x Dark Reapers w/ Starswarm Missiles

Heavy Support – 3x War Walkers w/ Scatter Laser & Bright Lance

I would commit half of your Bright lances on Guardians to Starcannons to deal with MEQ.

Also, your Harlequins are a bit exposed without a Shadowseer.

The Harlequins are going to be neatly tucked in the center of all the guardians, so I figured I could save 30 points on an ability that works maybe half the time, and only if there actually targeted. But it's never bad to take of course.

I could see going for a few starcannons for sure, the dark reapers are bringing 24 ap 3 shots and 48" range, so I can definitely mow down some meq, but teq is another matter all together, and some starcannons would help with that. Although teq's almost always have to get near you to be affective, and I was basically banking on 60 shuriken shots that are ap 2 on 6's for teq's.

Why not take a Farseer for Doom?

A farseer is never wrong, but I didn't want to front load the list with a ton of points in HQ, and the Avatar was just a compulsory choice for the fluff. If I didn't care about the fluff and was just going for straight competitiveness, I would drop him for Eldrad lol.

Fair enough. There's not much to drop from the list without sacrificing key roles. I'd be interested in hearing how it plays against various armies.

Will do.

For Footdar i would recommend A Spiritseer and Wraithguard wraith blades as Troops. Use the Iyanden to give them all battle focus and run as many squads as possible with 5 spirit seers backed up by a Wraithknights/Lords

Why not combine your Guardians to three blobs of 20. It's pretty effective, creating a 12" no-go-zone for enemy, regardless of his T or armor!
After that adding a Spiritseer/Warlock to boost Ld is a good way to go.

Yeah, 20 model blobs is what I originally had, but then thought about splitting them for objective grabbing, also the Avatar is giving them fearless, which is obviously a plus.

Messy0 that of course sounds sweet, but it also sounds like a specifically Iyanden list, which is fine, but this was intended to be more of an old school feel.

If the Harlequins' purpose is to be a counter assault unit then I'd swap them for Striking Scorpions. Harlequins are great on the charge but after that they fall apart quickly. They're main advantage is the Shadowseer's ability but you're not even using that. Striking Scorpions have some staying power along with volume of attacks and an Exarch with a Initiative 6 power fist for challenges.

Keeping the Harlequins because of their look and feel in a fluffy footdar list, I will add in the shadowseer though.

peteralmo wrote:
Keeping the Harlequins because of their look and feel in a fluffy footdar list, I will add in the shadowseer though.

I'm not sure how Harlequins are more footdar fluffy than Striking Scorpions. Do you mean Ulthwe? They're the only craftworld I can think of that would prefer so many Guardians and very few aspect warriors. If that's the case then perhaps you should add warlocks to all those guardian units to make it more fluffy.

If you don't have Strike Scorpions or something then that's fine. I don't know what else to suggest though without knowing your requirements for footdar or what models are available. It seems like a solid list given the restrictions.

I love scorpions, I just hate the idea of having an iconic old school footdar list on the table without some colorful harlequins some where lol.

I would probably take 2 blobs of 20 and split one blob into 2 squads of 10 for the flanks or backfield.

Its not that bad of a list, but I definitely think some psychic support will brink out the deep savory flavors. Guide is great on a 20 man squad of guardians firing into.....anything really.

Agreed lol, just need to find the points for a Farseer, shouldn't be too hard, only 100.

Looks really sweet actually.

So I decided the crimson hunter didn't fit the footdar theme, but I wanted to keep something that had some game against flyers, so I immediately went to warp spiders, they fit the foot theme and they can take down flyers, but they could use some help. Once the spiders were in, I knew I needed some buffing, so the farseer was a must, 21 re-rolling rending str 7 shots? Oh yeah. I then realized that the harlies were kind of garbage in the list, and I needed to open up some points, so I swapped them out for a unit of wraithguard, again fits the foot theme, they too, like harlies, need to get in range to be effective, the only difference is they will destroy whatever they shoot at, the harlies effectiveness will fall subject to many variables. Here is the updated fluffy footdar list, double farseer is giving me 6+D6 WC a turn and Guide/Prescience x4 for what I expect will be spiders, war walkers, and both units of reapers. The new list is fairly different, but I think a lot better.


HQ – Farseer w/ Singing Spear

HQ – Farseer w/ Singing Spear

Troops – 20x Guardian Defenders w/ 2x Bright Lance

Troops – 20x Guardian Defenders w/ 2x Bright Lance

Troops – 10x Guardian Defenders w/ Bright Lance

Troops – 10x Guardian Defenders w/ Bright Lance

Elites – 5x Wraithguard w/ Wraithcannons

Fast Attack – 6x Swooping Hawks

Fast Attack – 6x Swooping Hawks

Fast Attack – 10x Warp Spiders, Exarch w/ Fast Shot

Heavy Support – 6x Dark Reapers w/ Starswarm Missiles

Heavy Support – 6x Dark Reapers w/ Starswarm Missiles

Heavy Support – 3x War Walkers w/ Scatter Laser & Bright Lance

New list looks a lot better, actually quite competitive, while still feeling fluffy.

Yeah I think it goes to show that the eldar can do other things well besides wave serpents.

Yes. Imho someone could random flip to any eldar data slate and build a list with the models on it and still be competitive.

Exactly, I mean this is the opposite of "optimal" current builds, no wave serpents or wraithknights, the farseers are the exception. Now I don't see a list like this winning NOVA or anything, but this list is well north of 100 models, the lowliest of which is shooting str 4 ap2 on 6's (guardians), the other parts of the list are all extremely potent.

I would drop the hawks, get 20 Warp Spiders instead, you don't need dark reapers, they are far too expensive, just get war walkers with EML you also need to somehow put Maugan Ra in the Harlequins, don't ask me how, shave something. Then you upgrade one of the harlies to a shadowseer and one to a death jester. drop to 5 harlies in total. so long as you can cast the veil of tears on it this unit (with Maugan in it) you have a unit that can brawl as well as throw out 8 str 6 rending shots per turn, and pretty much can't be hurt

I also like the list quite a bit! My only very minor suggestion would be to switch the Bright Lances on the War Walkers to Starcannons. While I know there is a lot of AP2 in the Guardians, I like the synergy of having all S6 weapons on the Walkers. Just a personal preference

Cheers!

Good suggestions all around. I like the maugan ra suggestion, but seeing as how I dropped the harlies for wraithguard, and he is 200 pts and I would need to forgo the two farseers, I'll stick to the current list, but it's a good suggestion.

I like starcannons, but I like having the option for the unit to either put 15 shots into infantry, 12 str 6, 3 str 8, or have 3 near-guaranteed str 8 lance shots on a vehicle, the laser lock with the BL is just that statistically powerful.

I would disagree on the dark reaper point simply because the list is meant to have an iconic footdar theme, hornets are just simply better than both walkers and dark reapers. That said, when comparing the two they are fairly close to one another, 12 str 5 ap 3 shots for 180 pts spread across six 3+ bodies or 12 str 6 ap 2 for 210 pts spread across three open topped walkers. Yes the walkers are better in a pure competitive sense because they punish TEQ where the others don't, but they are much easier to kill if focused, and slightly pricier. The reapers bring classic flare to a footdar list, still punish MEQ very well, and I think are just more durable when you consider wound count and armor save. Also, I have some of each because I'm trying to field a list with variety and character. Which segues well into the last point.

In a vacuum I know warp spiders are better than hawks, it's why I'm running a 10 man strong unit. However I think hawks are much underrated and quite good. For a measly 90 points and change 6 hawks can land without scattering, drop a large pie plate on light to medium infantry, dakka 18 shots into said infantry, and then threaten heavy armor the following turn with all haywire charge, which could drop an Achilles lol. Again, I think spiders are better overall, but I like both and I'd like to run both, plus both units just look gorgeous on the battlefield.

yeah, I like Hawks, it's just they suffer from the pressure on a very useful Fast Attack Slot. I took 10 hawks, Baharoth, 20 warp spider, and Maugan in my footdar swordwind army.. (if you think footdar is hard, try footdar swordwind!) the hawks died and baharroth kind of kept them "alive in spirit" tactically by throwing them into melee.. it was a bit of a Lando Calrisian / Admiral Akbar moment.. so yes, while they slowly got munched by ork boyz at least baharroth actually did some surprising good.. BUT to my utter surprise the star of the show, hands down was Maugan, while I didn't get to use him in harlies (swordwind, remember) so he had his backing vocals as dark reapers.. but those extra dark reapers basically look-out-sir'd him long enough to mow down and then assault tarpit about a third of the opponent's assaulting army.. he killed everything

however the lesson I got was that the warp spiders were king. they were just all over those orks, the game ended pretty well drawn and it was a ninja ork list with the works, battle wagons AV14 .. you know the drill.. anyway the eldar actually lived long enough to do some of what I pay them for...

since then I learned that a good move is to get asurmen and try to get his D3 warlord traits to get the rerollable-when-1 save all game.. it makes him insane because you need AP2 on him to not have him at rerollable 2+ now..

The phoenix lords are all insanely good, but at 200-225 pts a piece they really are in my opinion, a starting point that you then build around. I just didn't go that direction with this list.

How about some Howling Banshees?

Foot Eldar is NEVER competitive. I would take 2 squads of Rangers, max out on Wraitknights and/or War Walker. And the Avatar.

Pure competitiveness is not the only criteria for this particular list.