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Hi all,

I have a bunch of Chaos Crimson Slaughter lying about in need of paint and tenderness. That being said, I got their codex and did a bit of research on them. Just for fun, can anyone deduce just who is their progenator?

Who's geneseed did they use?
Who's the Primarch?
Who's their daddy?


Any guesses? Expert Lore Masters, what say ye?

Thanks,
Vigilant

Crimson sabres

Hawehu@hotmail.com wrote:
Crimson sabres

Haha, funny. Thats who they were before. I want to know, from what legion did their geneseed come from? Who was their primarch? It had to be one of the loyalist primarchs...buy whose?

Odds are it was the Ultramarines.

We can rule out Dark Angels pretty easily.

No idea, it was just a nonsense army made up by Gw.
The chaos models from DV were first painted up as black legion and the DA as DA obviously.
When it finally came to photographing the models together they realized that it was pretty hard to see what was going on as the schemes were both quite dark and the box art wasn't very exciting.
Thus the Crimson Slaughter was born.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
We can rule out Dark Angels pretty easily.

Why? Maybe the Dark Angels are hunting them (at least in the box set) because they are Fallen?

The fallen are distinctly differnt from a chapter of dark angels sucessors that has embraced chaos.

that said I tend to until given evidance otherwise just assume Ultramarines in the case of unspecificed sucessor chapters

I'd say its safe to rule out both Dark Angels and Blood Angels since the Amalgamation Schism doesnt mention close ties to either of those chapters, and is what resulted in all records of the lineage being destroyed.

They seem somewhat brutal and the fluff and almost crude, so maybe White Scars? Or Imperial Fists because they seemed to want to prove to everyone how awesome they were.

 ClockworkZion wrote:
We can rule out Dark Angels pretty easily.

Can we? it would make it even more likely for the DA to hunt them down if they originated from "the fallen"

In any case, the crimson sabres are from an unknown geneseed of the 13 founding (the one where practically everything is unrecorded, classified or even having the geneseed kept in the terra banks)

Kranon was their chapter master though, so that makes his CSM stats a bit disappointing.

 bocatt wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
We can rule out Dark Angels pretty easily.

Why? Maybe the Dark Angels are hunting them (at least in the box set) because they are Fallen?

 BoomWolf wrote:

 ClockworkZion wrote:
We can rule out Dark Angels pretty easily.

Can we? it would make it even more likely for the DA to hunt them down if they originated from "the fallen"

Let me 2-for-1 that: The Crimson Slaughter knows what the DA's dirty little secret is, and didn't know back when they were first slighted by the DA during a Space Hulk mission (and responded by declaring that they are their own parents and generally not taking being admonished for doing their jobs of purging a Space Hulk instead of just letting the Blood Angels and Dark Angels bicker over who gets first boarding rights).

They aren't the Fallen, nor are they a DA successor or else the Chapter Master would have known.

Seriously, this is in their Codex Supplement.

I have considered the Ultramarines but I keep thinking they are Blood Angels. Both are susceptible to being cursed, Blood curse and Khorne curse (similar because they need blood). This is because of the Sanguinus flaw or mutation. They seal their records after a clash with the Blood Angels on that space hulk.

The name also seems to imply they were a succesor. Like the Crimson Legion.

 Vigilant wrote:
I have considered the Ultramarines but I keep thinking they are Blood Angels. Both are susceptible to being cursed, Blood curse and Khorne curse (similar because they need blood). This is because of the Sanguinus flaw or mutation. They seal their records after a clash with the Blood Angels on that space hulk.

The name also seems to imply they were a succesor. Like the Crimson Legion.

Having Crimson in the name doesn't mean anything, there's IIRC an Ultramarine successor called the Crimson Consuls or something like that.

Their curse was 100% the daemonic influence, it wasn't genetic. If they were Blood Angels successors they would have had the Red Thirst from the start. Before they fell they were perfectly normal Space Marines, just out to show up everyone else (they would go and troll other Chapters by writing up long lists of minor things they did that violated the Codex Astartes, just to be donkey caves) and were considered to be uncouth ("base curs" as the Dark Angels Master refers to them) for reasons that the novella didn't really go into. The strong sense of martial discipline (constant practice with swords, honor duels, a council of swords for the leadership, etc.) screams White Scars to me.

Actually no I'm going to pick Imperial Fists as my final answer. Rigid adherence to dogma and pointing out how you're better than everyone else for being more rigid, Napoleon complex, pompous and rubbing it in to everyone... yep that has Rogal Dorn written all over it. Although I can't 100% remember but I think there might have been a scene in the Dark Vengeance novella where a captures CSM spits a glob of acid at a Dark Angels Chaplain, which would rule out the Fists since they don't have that gland, but being CSM it might not have been an original member of the Sabres but someone implanted with the geneseed they got from Fabius Bile.

According to the CS fluff in the Supplement their primogenitors are a mystery due to the Chapter being offended at receiving a Censure and locking away all knowledge of their Parents, and then it got blown up... So its a big mystery....

But we do know that it couldn't have been from the Blood Angels or Dark Angels, since they were the cause of the Censure in the beginning. We can pretty safely eliminate Space Wolves and Salamanders since they have no real Successors anyway.

Ultramarines are likely but extremely boring. The Ultramarines are mentioned as fighting alongside the Crimson Sabres during the Cleansing of Danor IV, where their Librarian was noting their "over eagerness for acceptance" but downplays it as the chapter being proud to fight alongside "Such Imperial stalwarts as the Blood Angels and Ultramarines". This doesent discount Ultramarines, but why have them mentioned at all if all records were expunged. We know they fought alongside UM, DA, BA, Black Templars, Silver Skulls, and lastly were fired upon by a Imperial Fists Strike Cruiser on entering the Cadian Gate.

We also know that after receiving Censure for insulting the honor of BA and DA, they severed all ties to all other Space Marine chapters but strictly adhered to the Codex Astartes and the teachings of Guilliman TO THE LETTER. Another hint at Ultramarines? A little too predictable.... So which other Chapters strictly adhered to the Codex after the Heresy? Raven Guard, Iron Hands and White Scars. Also the only 3 not mentioned at all in any fluff yet.

We do know they were noted for their Fire Support teams, and their use of Drop Pod Assaults. We do know their homeworld was a feudal world, warring against Orks. We know they like Sabres.

My money is on White Scars successors. There is No mention of them anywhere in the Supplement. They seems like a good source for such a 'Savage' traitor Chapter. And it hasn't really been done to death.

I like your theory there Nightlord. It's fairly sound and does fit pretty well.