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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/05 22:39:08
Subject: Rubbing one off...
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Speedy Swiftclaw Biker
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...an edge, that is.
I've found recently that the basecoat rubs off on the edges when I hold the mini to paint details.
I'm airbrushing the basecoat and highlights, using Vallejo paints, after undercoating in Chaos Black.
Does anyone else experience this? Should I varnish before painting details?
Any help would be most appreciated!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/05 23:08:09
Subject: Re:Rubbing one off...
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Utilizing Careful Highlighting
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From what I've heard, Chaos Black (or any GW sprays) are gakky primers, if they are actually primers. Grabbing a different primer (that's actually a primer, not just spraypait) may sort this out.
Also, touching the model a lot could contribute to this. Remember that our skin has oils, and oil and water don't mix.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/05 23:20:34
Subject: Rubbing one off...
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Hurr! Ogryn Bone 'Ead!
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How long are you letting the primer coat dry before applying color? Are you allowing it to cure fully?
Haven't had issue with GW primer, used it for years with stellar results.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/06 01:28:31
Subject: Re:Rubbing one off...
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
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Different people have different skin chemistry. If I handle an unsealed, painted mini, I will eventually discolor the paint and rub off color. As much as possible, handle the mini by its base or attach it to something larger that allows you to manipulate the mini as you paint. An old paint pot or wine cork are popular choices.
Alternately, you can dull coat the mini as you paint if you must handle it prior to doing a finish sealcoat. As an example, if I want to game with a miniature before all of the details are finished I will hit it with a light coat of matte sealer to preserve the paint.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/06 02:14:49
Subject: Rubbing one off...
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Fixture of Dakka
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I would suggest mounting the miniature to a small bottle so that you don't have to touch it. Your hands have all sorts of oils that won't do your miniatures any favors, and of course friction is an issue.
On another note, have you tried airbrush primer? You get much more control, and it's a bog cost savings.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/06 02:26:12
Subject: Re:Rubbing one off...
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You are likely handling the mini too much, not letting the primer cure, or using a lower quality primer.
A lot of people attach the mini to an empty bottle, wine cork, or whatever. I use a nice, hefty, fencepost topper made of wood.
GW primer is notoriously bad. I know this and I've never even used the stuff. I only hear complaints. Krylon gets a lot of attention here, and then Vallejo brush on primer. You really gotta shake them though.
Krylon primer says you can handle it after something like 15 to 30 minutes but it'll be delicate. I'm using Vallejo grey brush-on primer which is great since I can primer indoors and any time, but it needs to cure a full 24 hours (or even more) otherwise it just comes off when you brush on wet paint.
I've done tests with krylon and vallejo brush-on and both will rub if they come into contact with foam, felt, or fingers for long enough. Krylon seems a bit stronger though. A great way to preserve minis is to give them a coat after painting. I use a spray gloss coat and then go over areas that I don't want to be shiny with a matte coat (gloss coats are much stronger than matte coats, so give everything a gloss coat first).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/06 09:55:26
Subject: Rubbing one off...
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Homicidal Veteran Blood Angel Assault Marine
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If it's resin, don't forget to wash your model with water-dishwashing detergent and scrub it well using al old toothbrush. plastic can suffer from this as well, but usually a whole lot less.
Secondly, get a good primer. I've been using black spray canq from Army Painter since a few years, works great.
I try to avoid handling a miniature directly when painting. Hold it at it's base, stick it to something, or when painting parts, pin it to cork using some copper wire glued into a little drilled hole.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/06 10:12:30
Subject: Re:Rubbing one off...
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Utilizing Careful Highlighting
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Actually, even if it's not resin your best bet is to wash it first. Never know if someone touched it during packaging, or if you touched it during assembly.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/09 19:08:10
Subject: Rubbing one off...
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Speedy Swiftclaw Biker
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Thanks for all the suggestions people, I appreciate it.
I've started blu tacking the models to old paint pots, so that I'm not handling as much. It's working, but might take a bit of practise adjusting to how it changes control over the model.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/09 22:23:47
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acrylic is tacky and rubs off easily especially just after its applied. airbrush layers tend to be thin and fragile - they can rub off easily too. the longer you let it sit it should get stronger (days, weeks). dullcote lacquer hardens and cures the top layer removing all the tackiness. dullcote is really amazing, it also prevents dirt and dust from sticking to the paint. wearing a latex glove can help a lot too. ive noticed that vinyl gloves seem to rub off paint more easily.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/09 22:48:48
Subject: Rubbing one off...
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Blood Angel Terminator with Lightning Claws
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I have some fat corks I uses, I like them better than Champaign or wine corks, and a poster hanging blue tack that keeps to itself when you pull the figure or miniature base from it. Nice an secure too. If you have trouble collecting these items I'd be willing to hook you up with both.
If I would read into the thread I see you've done that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/09 22:49:31
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Rubbing one off an edge? Look out below!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/10 08:36:37
Subject: Rubbing one off...
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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nuttersuclan wrote:...an edge, that is.
I've found recently that the basecoat rubs off on the edges when I hold the mini to paint details.
I'm airbrushing the basecoat and highlights, using Vallejo paints, after undercoating in Chaos Black.
Does anyone else experience this? Should I varnish before painting details?
Any help would be most appreciated!
Besides curing time and wear and tear, I'd recommend this:
Use Vallejo Airbrush Primer. You are using an Airbrush anyway and you are using Vallejo paint. I found their primer very good and easy to apply. I prefer to let models sit overnight before continuing, but in a pinch the heat gun or just half an hour wiĺl be enough
I use the primer with a 0.4mm needle and between 40-60psi. It's available in black, white a couple of greys and a bunch of base colours.
Forget expensive and crappy spraycans, use your airbrush!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/10/10 15:43:13
Subject: Rubbing one off...
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Tough-as-Nails Ork Boy
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If you are handling the model in the same spots, and then painting over those spots, then you are creating a layer of skin oil and dirt between layers of paint-- those will most likely rub off.
Hold the model by the base, or if you dont paint with bases on, use blu-tack and stick it to something.
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