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As stated in the title, if a White Scars jump pack HQ is attached to a Raven Guard jump pack unit, what happens when that unit makes a charge?

Can the whole unit re-roll its charge range and get to use its jump packs due to Raven Guard chapter tactics? Does the whole unit only roll once and move as infantry? I ask because in the character section, it states that attached characters move following the rules of their given model type, and under assault, it states: If a character is in a unit that charges into close combat, the character charges too, as it is part of the unit. I guess I'm not sure if the Raven Guard chapter tactics special rules would still apply then.

My intent was to play with a Raven Guard librarian in a Vanguard Vet unit along with a White Scars librarian so the unit gains hit and run (and hopefully invisibility).

Thanks!

If that same White Scars HQ model did not have a jump pack, would it change the answer to this question?

I... think... this falls under the very poorly worded Rule:
While an Independent Character is part of a unit, he counts as part of the unit for all rules purposes, though he still follows the rules for characters.
-Joining and Leaving a Unit, Independent Character

I am not entirely sure of which Rules you are asking about, as I thought this was in relation to the Raven Guard Tactic of Winged Deliverance but now I am not sure... in the case of Winged Deliverance, the subject matter is Jump infantry Models in this Detachment so it would be granted to the White Scar Independent Character in question. After all, it is now part of a Unit that was selected for a "Raven Guard Detachment," so it would be breaking a Rule that I despise because of how 'absolute' it is to treat it otherwise....

Depends how the rule is worded imo.
Much like all the other threads on units/detachments etc.

Theres some debate in all of them wether the IC 'switches' detachment, due to detachment rules etc, also considering many have slightly different wording for *probably* no reason, it's quite hard to determine intent of this one. I mean, what if he is your warlord and suddenly he's not part of the detachment which your warlord must be from?

How we play it is as if its a unit rule from the codex or any sort of rule thats gained at the selection process, which in most cases are not transferred.

 Nem wrote:
Depends how the rule is worded imo.
Much like all the other threads on units/detachments etc.

Theres some debate in all of them wether the IC 'switches' detachment, due to detachment rules etc, also considering many have slightly different wording for *probably* no reason, it's quite hard to determine intent of this one. I mean, what if he is your warlord and suddenly he's not part of the detachment which your warlord must be from?

How we play it is as if its a unit rule from the codex or any sort of rule thats gained at the selection process, which in most cases are not transferred.

There has never been a debate whether the IC switches detachment or not. It is a statement that certain parties like to argue against, despite the other side never having claimed that at all.

 Nem wrote:
Theres some debate in all of them wether the IC 'switches' detachment, due to detachment rules etc, also considering many have slightly different wording for *probably* no reason, it's quite hard to determine intent of this one. I mean, what if he is your warlord and suddenly he's not part of the detachment which your warlord must be from?

Literally no one has ever argued that. You like to pretend otherwise but it's just not true.

Since the RG CT only applies to models in the Detachment (which the WS model is not), wouldn't this apply?:

Under "Roll Charge Range":

"If a unit has models that roll differently for their charge range, the whole unit must charge at the speed of the slowest model"

The rule does have it's problems since it says roll for the unit, and then alludes to, not explicitly states, that you group the rolls by how they "roll differently".

We would then get:

The WS IC doesn't get to re-roll so he has the original result.

If the first result was lower, the unit moves at the rate of the WS.

If the second result was lower, the unit moves at the rate of the RG.

So, either the unit moves the same speed with the re-roll or worse.

The wording for chapter tactics is actually more clear than the wording for detachment special rules which people try to apply to detachments other than the one that they are for...what's even more interesting is the only "questions" about these kinds of things are in regards to space marines when other armies have the same wording, not sure if there are more cherry pickers in the SM camp, or SM players have a bad grasp on rules...

Winged Deliverance: Jump Infantry models in this detachment may use their jump
packs in both the Movement and Assault phases of the same turn. Furthermore, they
must re-roll failed To Wound rolls caused by their Hammer of Wrath hits

is the WS model a model from that Raven Guard detachment?

The only RAW answer is no regardless of any other situation.

special rules from detachments are given to models before deployment.

there is specific RAW in the brb under independent characters joining units that have special rules they do not have, the raven guard models in this case have the winged deliverance special rule, the WS IC attached does not.

the whole unit charges at the speed of the slowest model