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Now, there is speculation about Drazhar being Ahra, the original Striking Scorpion Phoenix Lord, or perhaps the Dark Eldar who managed to slay Ahra and don his armor, hence the tradition of the Icubi to take Spirit Stones from Eldar Aspect Warriors. Drazhar has the same stats and many special rules as other Phoenix Lords. What I am confused is that, during the course of 10000 years, he must have been killed dozens of times, much like the Eldar's Phoenix Lords, so how does he come back again? Do the Incubi take up his armor and become the successor? But if this is true, than how is this tradition now known by the Incubi, as stated in the Wiki? If Ahra's armor is extremely sacred, then how could one person come to its possession without others' notice?
Can anyone explain?

Not sure what the new lore is, but im guessing it was something that was started when he first created the incubi.

So now if he is killed in battle, it is first priority to get his armour and return it back. I think somewhere in the lore, the craftworld elder see his armour as being "tainted" so it isn't much of a relic to them anymore. But incubi see it as CWE see other PL armour, and it is very sacred to them.

Older fluff indicates that the Eldar aren't entirely aware of the nature of the Phoenix Lords. There was one short callout that had Karandras fall into a shrine, badly wounded, and the Exarch try to help him up to get him to a healer, only to be sucked in without a clue what was happening to him.

Well as far as I can tell, Eldar fluff involving the Phoenix lords hasn't really changed a bunch. drazhar is still strongly hinted as Arhra(typical GW)

Read Path of the Incubus, the Main Character, Morr, is the most Badass Incubi you are like to find and it gives a lot of extra detail into Ahra and his shrines. It even features Drazhar himself!

First off, Ahra didn't fall to chaos. The Eldar codex said he burnt with the ''Dark fire of Chaos'', but Morr expands that to be while Ahra was fighting with Daemons to defend his shrine, he beat them back but at a cost. They had corrupted his body but not his soul, so when Ahra returned to the shrine he was so corrupted that he asked his disciples to cut him down. They were not so sure, until Ahra cut down a few Eldar to get his point across. They cut Ahra down, armour and all, but Ahra's soul imprinted upon each of his disciples.

These became the first Hierarchs, and founded the Great Incubi temples to teach Ahra's creed. Drazhar must be one of those disciples, but instead of teaching others, he is trying to perfect the kill.

So, a long answer to a short question. Drazhar isn't Ahra, he is just a fragment of Ahra's soul. That is how Drazhar gets reborn, when Drazhar dies, the soul possesses a nearby soul who can take up the Mantel. Make sense?

DaKKaLAnce wrote:
Well as far as I can tell, Eldar fluff involving the Phoenix lords hasn't really changed a bunch. drazhar is still strongly hinted as Ahra(typical GW)

ARHRA Guys ARH-RA.

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
Read Path of the Incubus, the Main Character, Morr, is the most Badass Incubi you are like to find and it gives a lot of extra detail into Ahra and his shrines. It even features Drazhar himself!

First off, Ahra didn't fall to chaos. The Eldar codex said he burnt with the ''Dark fire of Chaos'', but Morr expands that to be while Ahra was fighting with Daemons to defend his shrine, he beat them back but at a cost. They had corrupted his body but not his soul, so when Ahra returned to the shrine he was so corrupted that he asked his disciples to cut him down. They were not so sure, until Ahra cut down a few Eldar to get his point across. They cut Ahra down, armour and all, but Ahra's soul imprinted upon each of his disciples.

These became the first Hierarchs, and founded the Great Incubi temples to teach Ahra's creed. Drazhar must be one of those disciples, but instead of teaching others, he is trying to perfect the kill.

So, a long answer to a short question. Drazhar isn't Ahra, he is just a fragment of Ahra's soul. That is how Drazhar gets reborn, when Drazhar dies, the soul possesses a nearby soul who can take up the Mantel. Make sense?

I cant believe I forgot that.... I remember reading the book(great book), but forgot all about what morr said.

So I guess no, Arhra(fixed it) isn't drazhar according to new fluff. But in the same sense , that's how all PL work.