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2014/10/24 07:55:33
Subject: Winsor and Newton spray matt varnish, buy or avoid?
I've been modelling for about a year and have always sealed my models with GW purity seal, the satin effect varnish, but every time I use it I'm unhappy with the result because my model ends up looking dull and has a frost like sheen over the top. I've read quite a bit about how to get rid of the frosting effect once the varnish is applied and that's been helpful but for obvious reasons I now want to avoid using purity seal at all. I saw in my local shop some Winsor and Newton spray on matt varnish and thought I may give that a try, has anyone any experiences with it? I know that Winsor and Newton brushes are often recommended so the brand itself is one I think has a good reputation, which makes me hopeful for their other products!
I'd appreciate any thoughts, good or bad, before I make my purchasing decision.
Thanks!
2014/10/24 08:50:00
Subject: Re:Winsor and Newton spray matt varnish, buy or avoid?
You talking about the stuff with UV Protection? If so I use it and boy is it matt. Also without the rough matt texture you usually get. Stunning stuff I just love it. The only downside is it takes a few days to cure properly, it's touch dry within about 20mins or so but can feel kind of tacky for a few hours. Someone has done a better review than me
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If it's based on the same stuff then I would say go for it, but I wouldn't have thought it would be. Might be worth getting yourself a cheap airbrush setup and using the stuff I showed you, it will save you money in the long run.
This should be fine for base coating and varnishing, get yourself a Neo and you can do some much better work. Just started using one myself and they're wonderful tools.
Bought a can once, years ago when it had the blue and white label, and it came out as white as snow. I was a bit surprised and disgruntled because, as you say, it's a company with a reputation for quality art materials. Might've been a bad batch, but then most brands of matt spray varnishes I've tried were like that, so...
The one brand I've tried that was pretty good was Humbrol matt cote. Even then I'd stay you have get the temperature, humidity, spraying distance, planets etc. all lined up to avoid the obvious problems. But don't let that put you off the W&N stuff if they've been tweaking the quality or if my experience was a fluke. I'd be interested to hear about it myself.
Gotta say the spray paint and varnish problems I've had made me anticipate Flippa's advice, though. I got a wee cheap airbrush to take over undercoating and maybe varnishing too.
Vermis wrote: Bought a can once, years ago when it had the blue and white label, and it came out as white as snow. I was a bit surprised and disgruntled because, as you say, it's a company with a reputation for quality art materials. Might've been a bad batch, but then most brands of matt spray varnishes I've tried were like that, so...
Sorry you had a bad experience. As with all spray varnishes, they're dependant on environmental factors. I've been using dullcote for years, and have only had one hiccup, but it was my fault entirely for rushing a job and spraying in high heat and humidity.
2014/10/24 16:32:24
Subject: Winsor and Newton spray matt varnish, buy or avoid?
Dullcote has really nice results if you spray it in ideal conditions. However, GBR is a lot like west coast Canada -- in the fall and winter, the rain makes humidity high. And in the summer, the heat makes humidity high.
It really needs to be a very dry day (as in, low humidex, and moisture in the air) to get optimal results.
This, and priming, which has similar pitfalls, were the main reason I bought my first airbrush.
2014/10/25 20:53:21
Subject: Re:Winsor and Newton spray matt varnish, buy or avoid?
Hello mate,
Im in the UK, used testors dullcote through my airbrush for years (thinned down). I only used it out a can once and had "ghostly" experience so airbrushed it after that.
I got fed up of the struggles to get dullcote, along with the ever changing weather meaning spraying was risky. The humid conditions make spraying this hard, you can easily ghost your models.
I thin it and spray it through my airbrush. Whilst it is not as Matt as dullcote it is fine. No ghosting accidents although it does not brush to well. Very good through the airbrush.
