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Well I rarely ever use a warlord but times are tough....I need to start using a warlord as my general instead of a Grey Seer

I want to put him in a unit of stormvermin 40ish strong so that I can separate my bunker unit (with grey seer and BSB) from the general.
I have been thinking of using the warlitter as a mount for a warlord because for 35 points +1 armour save and 4 attacks at I5....that's pretty good for the price!

I was contemplated putting a weeping blade on the warlord but for cost effectiveness and staying power I was thinking this:

Warlord
- Warlitter, Armour of Destiny, Halberd
That's a 3+ armour save/4+ ward save +1 strength with the halberd.

What would you use for putting in a combat unit?

For offense, use a WLC, or Grey Seer. Warlords are slightly harder than tissue paper. The best offense is a Bonebreaker Warlord with the Fellblade, but obviously it won't be terribly defensive. Maybe Queek. Anything less bounces off other combat characters.

So your combat general should be the second hardest tank in your army (the BSB should be first, rerolls matter more to Skaven than the extra point or two of Ld). His offense won't add much to the Stormvermin, but his survival might make a big difference.

So, say, HA, Enchanted Shield, Dawnstone (if the BSB isn't using it) and a 4+ save... and save any remaining points for more bodies. On a warlitter that is a 3+ rerollable/4++ save, and about as tough as Skaven get. He'll still get punked by any real combat character, but... well, Skaven aren't exactly combat monsters.

Warlord with fellblade on the forgeworld brood horror would bring a lot of hurt if it doesn't die.

You'll find warlord generals are infinitely more survivable and cheaper than grey seers as generals. There's no chance of death from miscast, you get armor with your wards and if you need to take a statistic test you have a higher chance of surviving. Not to mention they can actual survive fighting in a combat for a while which is not something a grey seer can ever do. Basically a seer is dead once it hits combat esp. in the case of a screaming bell (so many guys able to hit the seer). Of course yeah you shouldn't let them get there and yeah the bell has a larger inspiring presence but i find the warlord to be better overall for several reasons.

Oh I agree about warlords not being super tough but wanted a combat character that can at least stand some sort of chance lol

That's my main worry with a grey seer general is miscasting and once in combat he's toast. Plus I usually put him in the bunker with the bsb so I wanted to get a warlord somewhere else to spread around the options.

Basically I will be going with this setup for my lords and heroes in the current 2500 point list I am going to try:

Grey seer
- talisman of endurance, power scroll, dispel scroll
Warlord
- war litter, halberd, armour of destiny
Plague priest
- lvl2, furnace, foul pendant, flail
Engineer
- doomrocket
Chieftain
- halberd, bsb, talisman of preservation

2500 points has been a weird points limit for me. Only because I am finding that I can't fit everything I want in the list. 3000 would be better because I could fit everything in and 2000 I can fit everything in. 2500 points just gives me ALMOST enough points for the toys I want but not quite lol that warlord setup is relatively cheap tho 177 points I think? So pretty decent combat general with a 3+/4++

A few thoughts:

- Skaven characters do not want to fight other characters. But that doesn't mean their worthless in combat. Even your BSB, with his WS5 S5 I6 A3, offers a decent punch.
I've found that my combats are generally won through static combat resolution, counter-charges, and the extra wound or two done to rank-and-file by my characters.

- Queek is not defensive. A Warlord on a Bone-breaker with the Fellblade is more defensive than Queek (Queek has +1 armour, -T, -1W by comparison).

- your General is more valuable to small units and Slaves than your BSB. Bigger units (and ones with 5+ Ld) benefit more from your BSB than your General.

@Vulcan: How is a Warlord getting an Enchanted Shield (armour), Dawnstone (talisman), and a 4+ Ward save (armour or talisman), all at once? Not possible.
Also, why would your Chieftain want the Dawnstone? At best that's...a 3+ re-rollable. I'd much rather have a 4+/4+, or a 5+/4+ with S5 and ignoring the first hit.

A few builds that have worked pretty decent for me:

- war-litter, Warlock-Augmented Weapon, Enchanted Shield, Talisman of Preservation, and maybe some random 5pt item (Ironcurse Icon being my favorite).
That's 225pts for S5 A5 + S4 A4 and a 2+/4+ save.
Or, just drop the magic weapon. 180pts for a 2+/4+ is solid.

- shield, war-litter, Warpstone Armour, Dawnstone.
183pts for a 2+ re-rollable/6+ and a whole bunch of S4 attacks. And enough points left over to give him Poison or the Ruby Ring, etc.

- halberd, Armour of Silvered Steel, Talisman of Preservation. 183pts for a 2+/4+ and S5. Notice that you're basically trading 4 S4 attacks for +1S and 3pts. S5 is great; it really helps you punch through tougher enemies. But the war-litter's base size is nice for soaking rank-and-file attacks. And yet again, it's harder to hide from enemy characters.

- ...the one you described. Simple, efficient, flexible. That's the one I use the most.

the BSB should be first, rerolls matter more to Skaven than the extra point or two of Ld)

You clearly don't use Slaves, and it's obviously a mistake

Good build (not cheap though) is Cap's build:
Warlitter, dragonhelm, talisman of preservation, sword anti-heroes, OTS, shield
It maxes out the cost of the warlord, but you have:
- a 2+ / 4++ / 2++ fire
- boosted offensive capacities (for the unit as well due to OTS) against a lot of the top hitters in the current meta (notably dark elf / WoC)

Warpsolution wrote:
@Vulcan: How is a Warlord getting an Enchanted Shield (armour), Dawnstone (talisman), and a 4+ Ward save (armour or talisman), all at once? Not possible.
Also, why would your Chieftain want the Dawnstone? At best that's...a 3+ re-rollable. I'd much rather have a 4+/4+, or a 5+/4+ with S5 and ignoring the first hit.

I guess I was a bit vague there.

What I was doing was listing options, not a specific loadout. As I said, you want the best defensive items on your BSB... which means they're not available for your Warlord. So without knowing specifically what defensive magic is on his BSB, it's impossible to recommend a specific loadout for the Warlord.

As far as I'm concerned, there are three variations on the Skaven BSB:

- full loaded: halberd, Charmed Shield, Talisman of Preservation OR halberd, Armour of Destiny (assuming your general took the Talisman).

- discount: halberd, Charmed Shield, Foul Pendant/Talisman of Endurance, possibly Ironcurse Icon.

...or take the Stormbanner or Razor Standard, if you think you can keep him out of combat and stave off enemy magic.

 TanKoL wrote:
Good build (not cheap though) is Cap's build:
Warlitter, dragonhelm, talisman of preservation, sword anti-heroes, OTS, shield
It maxes out the cost of the warlord, but you have:
- a 2+ / 4++ / 2++ fire

It's a solid idea, but I feel like he's just going to get pasted anyway. I want my Warlord carving into rank-and-file troops. If the Sword of Anti-Heroes and the Other Trickster's Shard are in use, I'd assume he's already lost.

I'm a huge fan of the Warlord on a Bonebreaker. Ups his Toughness and Wounds by 1 each, and throws another 5 S5 attacks into CR. Sure, he still won't be going toe to toe with a blender lord or anything, but he's not really meant to. My usual build is similar to Cap's build, but swaps a few things:

Warlord
-Bonebreaker
-Shield
-Dragonhelm
-Talisman of Endurance (my BSB usually has the ToP)
-Sword of Might (If you go OTS over skalm, can upgrade to Ogre Blade for S6)
-Skalm (OTS is also an option)

He's got WS6 S5(in CC) T5 W4 I7
2+/4++/2++ Fire
He's immune to regular Killing Blow (being that he is Monstrous Cavalry)

Sure, you lose your LOS! save, which is risky, but he'll shred through most normal infantry and seriously boost your CR.

Disclaimer: Most of my enemies are T3 Elves, Tomb Kings or Brets.


Edit: If you are trying to hide your BSB in the second rank of your general's block, a bonebreaker or war-litter is a must. I tend to prefer the Bonebreaker for the increased Toughness, Wounds and Killing Blow immunity. (I face Tomb Guard a lot...)