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 techsoldaten wrote:

 Red Corsair wrote:
Aren't warp talons 2 attacks?

Also am I brain farting or isn't it impossible to get both a combi bolter and chainsword on chosen? Are we double swapping things?

Double lightning claws means +1 attack.

Pretty sure you can take combi-bolter and chainsword on the Chosen. Not sure there's a reason to take CSM anymore except RoT and the fact they are troops.

Warp talons are 1 attack base... So thats 2 with the pair, thats why they fething suck.

And I've read and reread the chosen entry 5 times, you cannot take a chainsword and a combi, and further more you can only take 5 combis using the special weapons slots and the champion. It says you can trade the bolter for a chainsword, then later it says you can swap the bolter for a special so no way to take a chain sword and a bolter.

Maybe it's using the index, I tossed mine a while back since I figured using it to build new squads would only lead to useless models down the road.


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 BoomWolf wrote:
Exactly-but its not the storm bolters that is the selling point.
Its DSing, being though as nails, and hitting FAR harder in CC.

They also relied on cloud of flies not to die which should tell you all you need to know. When blightlords need to rely on not being shot to survive you know terminators are in a bad place. If I recall nobody took DE to this years BAO or else that unit would have never done it's job due to agents of vect.

GW updated it so that Chosen come stock with a Chainsword.

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
GW updated it so that Chosen come stock with a Chainsword.

They did this because it made some of the only official chosen models illegal lol

So for 1pt, chosen get +2 attacks over a CSM ?

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
GW updated it so that Chosen come stock with a Chainsword.

Ah OK thanks, I missed this. Is it in the FAQ?

I never really bothered with them in the past. They seem decent now. The biggest issue I'd say they have is the rule of 3. Your only going to run small squads but you can't really do MSU that great when your maxed at 3. Seems like bikes would be better if your after bolter shots. Trouble I have with the combi bolter load out also is looking at things like quad HB's, they fill the same roll but are way more durable and easier to use. Plus your basically just making poor mans noise marines.

I think we just made a side step with this CA. Cultists still the most viable infantry and with all the walkers going down in price your basically at square one after the cultist price hike. We definitely got a few more points to play with, but so did everyone else.

 Red Corsair wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
GW updated it so that Chosen come stock with a Chainsword.

Ah OK thanks, I missed this. Is it in the FAQ?

I never really bothered with them in the past. They seem decent now. The biggest issue I'd say they have is the rule of 3. Your only going to run small squads but you can't really do MSU that great when your maxed at 3. Seems like bikes would be better if your after bolter shots. Trouble I have with the combi bolter load out also is looking at things like quad HB's, they fill the same roll but are way more durable and easier to use. Plus your basically just making poor mans noise marines.

I think we just made a side step with this CA. Cultists still the most viable infantry and with all the walkers going down in price your basically at square one after the cultist price hike. We definitely got a few more points to play with, but so did everyone else.

Quoting the relevant part of the FAQ regarding Chosen:



I agree with the comparison of Chosen versus Heavy Bolter havocs that you draw, the Heavy Bolter fulfills the shooting role *better* than the combi-bolter. I guess the Chosen with combi-bolters fill in a more versatile close range roll for clearing chaff. They're capable of moving and firing to full effect so they're better for taking objectives in no-mans land, and they can generate quite a few attacks in close combat, so they're a bit more versatile if charged or if they see an opportunity to charge something that would benefit from lots of 0-ap attacks. I don't think they're ever going to be an "auto-include", but the above change and the points drop certainly makes them an appealing addition the Elites roster rather than being a garbage unit passed over for more Berzerkers or something else...

Heck you could give them all chain-axes for one point for a real jack of all trades, master of none unit. Amusingly, I DID have a unit modelled up with bolters/chain axes to use as my Khorneate Chosen in my Word Bearers army, but I've since ripped off the bolter arms to replace with Chainswords to use as Berzerkers... Oh well!

 Rydria wrote:

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
GW updated it so that Chosen come stock with a Chainsword.

They did this because it made some of the only official chosen models illegal lol

So for 1pt, chosen get +2 attacks over a CSM ?

and +1 leadership and ofc better weapon options.

Only thing you loose is usefulness of being a troops slot for filling out a detachment and ofc objective grabbing but cultists are still what you use for all this so meh.

All my lists got like 150pts cheapter... thing is 'every' army got a lot of pts drops so you'll be facing more stuff so again... kinda meh

As a sidenote, did i get that correct that with all the pricedrops we are now capable of fielding a Brigade at less then 550 pts with Renegades?

3 commanders 75 pts

3 x4 command disciples 72 pts

3x 3 Heavy stubber teams 45 pts

3x1 Chaos spawn 75 pts

6x 10 Militia 240 pts.

Total: 502 pts total?

I mean that is positively extreme?

I was having difficulty choosing between butcher leviathan or butcher contemptor. What are people's thoughts post point drops? The butcher array has dropped massively but leviathan status the same. I think the contemptor might be easier to squeeze into more lists as cheaper and it's an elite rather than heavy.
The leviathan looks cooler tho which is a factor...

on a thread note i started this one and unlike other tac threads we (well I, shame on me) don't update the first post with a decent unit summary etc

would anyone be up for it? if so i'll update the first post and also maybe i might change the thread name to chaos space marines since thats really what is mainly discussed in the thread... ?

Can someone link in the forgeworld pointlists? All the leak compiltions i can find are missing the page with hellforged units on it.

 Latro_ wrote:
on a thread note i started this one and unlike other tac threads we (well I, shame on me) don't update the first post with a decent unit summary etc

would anyone be up for it? if so i'll update the first post and also maybe i might change the thread name to chaos space marines since thats really what is mainly discussed in the thread... ?

I can do it. Expect a new tactics thread soon-soon as I can grab my CSM codex.

 JNAProductions wrote:

 Latro_ wrote:
on a thread note i started this one and unlike other tac threads we (well I, shame on me) don't update the first post with a decent unit summary etc

would anyone be up for it? if so i'll update the first post and also maybe i might change the thread name to chaos space marines since thats really what is mainly discussed in the thread... ?

I can do it. Expect a new tactics thread soon-soon as I can grab my CSM codex.

A new thread? But we’re almost half way to 420 pages!

Yup. New thread.

Please post feedback! I want to give good advice as best I can!

cool will close this on

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