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Now that the rules are on twitter, i can safely say that GW are slowed.

Mon nurgle is king due to ascendancy. Demons in general lose daemonic instability and gain unstable and unbreakable.

The ascendant demons then lose unstable. So. A pure nurgle army with core made of one block of regen plaguebearers, a big unit of beasts, a big unit of drones and a GUO. Pure fun. No way to make them crumble. However RoC still applies.

Ask for a twitter link and I'll supply it via pm.

I've also seen the rules for festus and Karl franz ascendant.

Because what we really need is even MORE nurgle love. Not like they weren't already the strongest of the 4...

I thought Archaon was supposed to be the star of the end times for chaos, but NOOOOO pap nurgle needs more love.

EDIT: I'm not saying I'm against anyone getting buffs. I play UL and we got a huge boost. I'm just saying Tzeentch could have used the love more.

 thedarkavenger wrote:
Now that the rules are on twitter, i can safely say that GW are slowed.

Mon nurgle is king due to ascendancy. Demons in general lose daemonic instability and gain unstable and unbreakable.

The ascendant demons then lose unstable. So. A pure nurgle army with core made of one block of regen plaguebearers, a big unit of beasts, a big unit of drones and a GUO. Pure fun. No way to make them crumble. However RoC still applies.

Ask for a twitter link and I'll supply it via pm.

I've also seen the rules for festus and Karl franz ascendant.

Ascendant rules only work for specific Scenario's, so they are still unstable/unbreakable in average games.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:
Now that the rules are on twitter, i can safely say that GW are slowed.

Mon nurgle is king due to ascendancy. Demons in general lose daemonic instability and gain unstable and unbreakable.

The ascendant demons then lose unstable. So. A pure nurgle army with core made of one block of regen plaguebearers, a big unit of beasts, a big unit of drones and a GUO. Pure fun. No way to make them crumble. However RoC still applies.

Ask for a twitter link and I'll supply it via pm.

I've also seen the rules for festus and Karl franz ascendant.

Ascendant rules only work for specific Scenario's, so they are still unstable/unbreakable in average games.

Not from the way they're written. Especially considering they're in the army rules section.

 thedarkavenger wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:
Now that the rules are on twitter, i can safely say that GW are slowed.

Mon nurgle is king due to ascendancy. Demons in general lose daemonic instability and gain unstable and unbreakable.

The ascendant demons then lose unstable. So. A pure nurgle army with core made of one block of regen plaguebearers, a big unit of beasts, a big unit of drones and a GUO. Pure fun. No way to make them crumble. However RoC still applies.

Ask for a twitter link and I'll supply it via pm.

I've also seen the rules for festus and Karl franz ascendant.

Ascendant rules only work for specific Scenario's, so they are still unstable/unbreakable in average games.

Not from the way they're written. Especially considering they're in the army rules section.

https://twitter.com/Rhellion/status/527502927427301377/photo/1


More specifically.

"Several of the scenarios presented elsewhere in Warhammer: Glottkin use the special rules presented in this section, but you can also use them in any of your other games of warhammer if you think they fit the narrative of your battle"

See? Optional, unlike what the end times had for lords/heroes, otherwise there would be NO point to giving them both unbreakable/unstable if they just plan for them to never use it.

That was also said about legions. It may be optional. But there are people who will not play it, or enforce it.

also, 405 skavenslaves for The Franz, but has what, 24" Ld10 inspire, 3+/4++ (combined profile) with MR2, 10 attacks with "Essence of Ghal Maraz" (which I assume is there because the writers forgot they gave Valten the real one) which is like the regular hammer, but does D3+1 wounds.
And he has a 6+ bound mini-chain-lightning
and is stubborn

hmm...

 thedarkavenger wrote:
That was also said about legions. It may be optional. But there are people who will not play it, or enforce it.

Except the Legions is a full army list, both Chaos and Undead, rather then optional special rules.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:
That was also said about legions. It may be optional. But there are people who will not play it, or enforce it.

Except the Legions is a full army list, both Chaos and Undead, rather then optional special rules.

And these are special rules applicable to the army.

 thedarkavenger wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:
That was also said about legions. It may be optional. But there are people who will not play it, or enforce it.

Except the Legions is a full army list, both Chaos and Undead, rather then optional special rules.

And these are special rules applicable to the army.

The "Chaos Ascendant" rules that you complained about are specific to Glottkin scenarios according to the scans that have been posted.

However when they are not Chaos Ascendant, Daemons have been hit with a nerf bat now they are regular unstable and don't have daemonic instability.

Legion of Chaos looks mean, and Beastmen can now take marks (even Khorne on Shaman) and roll on the eye of the gods table, except both 2 and 12 equal spawndom.

Plus, daemon summoning, it looks pretty good seeing as all Chaos Sorcerers get it for free and in addition to any other spells they may possess.

I like the nurgle love when I first joined it was allllllll khorne. He is sooo lame

it does break down to this for the gods tho

Khorne 18
Skullcrushers of Khorne
Scyla Anfingrimm
Valkia the Bloody
Chaos Khorne Exalted Hero
Chaos Champion of Khorne
Bloodletters of Khorne
greater daemon
Bloodcrushers of Khorne
Flesh Hounds of Khorne
Skull Cannon of Khorne
Karanak
Skulltaker
Herald of Khorne
Blood Throne of Khorne
Herald of Khorne on Juggernaut
Khorne Beserks
Kharn

Nurgle 19 counting the same model with different riders
Glottkin
the 3 new monsters
Nurgle Chaos Lord
Putrid Blightkings
Nurgle Chaos Lord on Daemonic Mount
Gutrot Spume
Festus the Leechlord
Nurgle Chaos Sorcerer
Plaguebearers of Nurgle
Plague Drones
Beast of Nurgle
Herald of Nurgle
Greater daemon
Nurglings
Epidemus
Plague Marines
Tyhus

Tzeench 15
Tzeentch Chaos Lord on Disc of Tzeentch
Vilitch the Curseling
Herald of Tzeentch on Disc
Pink Horrors of Tzeentch
Warriors of Chaos Tzeentch Sorcerer Lord
Flamers of Tzeentch
The Changeling
Screamers of Tzeentch
Kairos Fateweaver
Greater daemon
Herald of Tzeentch on Burning Chariot
Burning Chariot of Tzeentch
The Blue Scribes
Ahriman
Thousand sons

Slaanesh 14
Lord of Slaanesh
Hellstriders of Slaanesh
Exalted Seeker Chariot of Slaanesh
Sigvald the Magnificent
Seeker Chariot of Slaanesh
Seekers of Slaanesh
Herald of Slaanesh
Fiend of Slaanesh 1
Daemonettes of Slaanesh
The Masque
greater daemon
lucius
fabius
noise marines

 Kanluwen wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:
That was also said about legions. It may be optional. But there are people who will not play it, or enforce it.

Except the Legions is a full army list, both Chaos and Undead, rather then optional special rules.

And these are special rules applicable to the army.

The "Chaos Ascendant" rules that you complained about are specific to Glottkin scenarios according to the scans that have been posted.

Not purely. Or until GW release another FAQ.

 thedarkavenger wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:
That was also said about legions. It may be optional. But there are people who will not play it, or enforce it.

Except the Legions is a full army list, both Chaos and Undead, rather then optional special rules.

And these are special rules applicable to the army.

The "Chaos Ascendant" rules that you complained about are specific to Glottkin scenarios according to the scans that have been posted.

Not purely. Or until GW release another FAQ.

..Except it literally states "These scenario's, or optional rules for narrative games." There's no "Purely" It's quite optional, it's not part of the Army List either which has the Unstable/Unbreakable.

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:
That was also said about legions. It may be optional. But there are people who will not play it, or enforce it.

Except the Legions is a full army list, both Chaos and Undead, rather then optional special rules.

And these are special rules applicable to the army.

The "Chaos Ascendant" rules that you complained about are specific to Glottkin scenarios according to the scans that have been posted.

Not purely. Or until GW release another FAQ.

..Except it literally states "These scenario's, or optional rules for narrative games." There's no "Purely" It's quite optional, it's not part of the Army List either which has the Unstable/Unbreakable.

Allow me to rephrase that. Why would you ever choose to not use them. There is no reason to run anything from the demons book other than ascendant nurgle. At all.

It's a bit wishy washy of GW to say "if you think". It's far too vague and will probably just be called on a case by case basis.

The rules do look fun though.

 thedarkavenger wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:
That was also said about legions. It may be optional. But there are people who will not play it, or enforce it.

Except the Legions is a full army list, both Chaos and Undead, rather then optional special rules.

And these are special rules applicable to the army.

The "Chaos Ascendant" rules that you complained about are specific to Glottkin scenarios according to the scans that have been posted.

Not purely. Or until GW release another FAQ.

..Except it literally states "These scenario's, or optional rules for narrative games." There's no "Purely" It's quite optional, it's not part of the Army List either which has the Unstable/Unbreakable.

Allow me to rephrase that. Why would you ever choose to not use them. There is no reason to run anything from the demons book other than ascendant nurgle. At all.

Im not sure, perhaps because your opponent doesnt want to play against something as OP as that? An entire unbreakable army, with literally no point increases/unit restrictions/downsides to alleviate the loss of D.Instability?
Look at the Slayer Throng from the old SoC. Look at how well received that army was...

Of course, this is where you come in with the line that "at no point does it say that both players must feel its appropriate to use the optional rules..."

 japehlio wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:

 ZebioLizard2 wrote:

 thedarkavenger wrote:
That was also said about legions. It may be optional. But there are people who will not play it, or enforce it.

Except the Legions is a full army list, both Chaos and Undead, rather then optional special rules.

And these are special rules applicable to the army.

The "Chaos Ascendant" rules that you complained about are specific to Glottkin scenarios according to the scans that have been posted.

Not purely. Or until GW release another FAQ.

..Except it literally states "These scenario's, or optional rules for narrative games." There's no "Purely" It's quite optional, it's not part of the Army List either which has the Unstable/Unbreakable.

Allow me to rephrase that. Why would you ever choose to not use them. There is no reason to run anything from the demons book other than ascendant nurgle. At all.

Im not sure, perhaps because your opponent doesnt want to play against something as OP as that? An entire unbreakable army, with literally no point increases/unit restrictions/downsides to alleviate the loss of D.Instability?
Look at the Slayer Throng from the old SoC. Look at how well received that army was...

Of course, this is where you come in with the line that "at no point does it say that both players must feel its appropriate to use the optional rules..."

My opponent can choose not to play it, at which point I bring out my five peg dark elves or my cauldron gun line. Or my savagestar foot of Gork gun line.

Or my double banishment empire.

Sounds like noone wants to play a narrative game with any of those armies anyways.

You did not make the point you hoped to make I will tell you that much, however I am too much of a gentlemen to say what I have gleaned.

 thedarkavenger wrote:

My opponent can choose not to play it, at which point I bring out my five peg dark elves or my cauldron gun line. Or my savagestar foot of Gork gun line.

Or my double banishment empire.

At which point your opponent might say "You win, I'm gonna go play a fun game." TDA, we all know you like to play uber competitive lists. However you seem to think people HAVE to play against you. Maybe that's the meta in your area. In my area, after about 2 weeks, you'd have no one left willing to play filth to that degree.

Remember your opponent can choose not to play IT or choose not to play YOU.

 Lord Commissar wrote:
Sounds like noone wants to play a narrative game with any of those armies anyways.

You did not make the point you hoped to make I will tell you that much, however I am too much of a gentlemen to say what I have gleaned.

Thats not the point I was making at all (assuming you were speaking to me there)

In a scenario, grand, bring it on. there are likely to be other rules or scenario-specific objectives and events that will mitigate the other advantages gained by ascendancy.
In a pick-up game, if someone shows up with their DoC armybook and then promptly tells me that they will be using the ascendancy rules because "It fits their own narrative" then they can shove it

I agree that the rules that make a mono deamon based army simply unbreakable are a little over the top. Although if the army consists of both some WoC and BM then only a smaller portion of the army will be unbreakable and probably won't be too much of a problem. I think the ability to change the rolls on the reign of chaos table result for any double is probably the worst of it. This means the only negative result you could get is a 3. Double 1's and double 2's can be changed the "summon more dudes" instead of the negative effects.

Do we know if the new magic spell for summoning daemons (15+ for 100pts etc) is part of the ascendant rules or are they separate and just part of the normal rules for chaos aligned wizards?

The spell is separate and has its own page and entry.

 thedarkavenger wrote:
The spell is separate and has its own page and entry.

Well that is good to know then! Thanks!