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So trying out some other ideas for Cygnar as I have had limited success. Granted some of my misfortune has been through execution rather than list, but still.

List 1

eCaine
-Stormclad
-Squire
Tempest Gun Mages w/UA
Tempest Gun Mages
Black 13th
Max Field Mechanics (Or Eiryss2, not sure which to go with)
Gun Mage Captain Adept
Journeyman Warcaster
Taryn di la Rovissi

List 2

Stryker3
-Ironclad
-Squire
Black 13th
Max Storm Lances
Journeyman Warcaster
Stormblade Captain
Katherine Laddermore
Lady Aiyana and Holt
Lanyssa Ryssel

List 3

eHaley
-Lancer
-Stormclad
-Squire
Black 13th
Stormblade Infantry w/UA and 3 Stormgunners
Arlan Strangeways
Journeyman Warcaster
Stormblade Captain

List 4

Stryker1
-Lancer
-Thunderhead
Tempest Gun Mage w/UA
Black 13th
Stormblade Infantry w/UA and 1 Stormgunner
Taryn di la Rovissi

Thoughts, comments, or critiques are welcome. (Notes, I do not possess Thorn, Stormwall, or Stormcallers)
   
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Thornton-Cleveleys, England

Personally, I think what you should do is pick one caster, stick to that caster and play extensively with that caster over and over again. That way you will know how that caster works, what works with that caster to fit the play style you want and how that caster and list works against different factions. It's what I am doing at the moment with my pCaine list @35/50pts

So just looking at your lists

List 1

Personally I can't see the point of the 2nd Unit of Gun Mages or the Gun Mage Captain adept. All the Gun Mages are bringing is some more POW10 guns without access to True Sight and the fact you are fielding the B13th makes the GMCA rather wasted, even then I feel the B13th are also not needed in the list and Ol' Rowdy is better choice than the Stormclad due to the fact Rowdy has aggressive. I think the list is missing some attrition and range buff as eCaine doesn't have Deadeye. As for the choice between the Field Mechanics and Eiryss2 sorry but I can't see the Mechanics even get a look in.

List 2

I can see the point of Aiyanna and Holt for Magical Weapons and another Damage buff which is useful if you have people that use lots of Incorporeal Models in your Meta. But not sure on Lanyssa. Stryker3 has Iron Aggression which allows the Jack to charge for free with boosted attacks and has Escort to increase their movement and add into the mix that Stormlances and Stryker3 with reach have a decent threat already. So I feel that she is a bit wasted.

List 3
Actually it's a list I like. I would prefer Thorn to a normal Lancer as your opponent can't shut Thorn down by engaging him in Melee where as normal Lancer can be, and with Deceleration and Arcane Shield it does make the Stormblades a respectable DEF14/ARM20 vs Ranged Attacks

List 4
Drop Thunderhead. There are better casters to run him with and I feel that pStryker is not one then. Stormclad and Ol' Rowdy are better choices than him and it does free you up the points to take a Squire. I would also drop the B13th and Taryn. You already have Gun Mages & UA and I feel that Taryn is not bringing much to the list. I personally would drop the both and get Jnr and Rhupert, though the Stormblade Captain would also work but as you are only fielding one unit of Stormknights I think the tools Rhupet brings would be better.

One thing I will highlight is that all your lists have the Black 13th in. Now don't get me wrong they are superb toolbox unit for their points, but I feel that building lists with character restrictions in mind really makes you think about your list composition.

That's my 2 pence.

   
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Thank you for your feedback.

I do bounce around with casters, because it keeps my interest high. I feel if I endured loss after loss after loss with the same caster I'd get disheartened. It's why I try to mix things up. So far I've played 4 games with Kara Sloan, 1 with eCaine, and 1 with Stryker3. The results have been on the low end. Granted a lot of it has been me as a player, first game with Kara Sloan I should have won, but made 1 STUPID mistake, and it cost me my caster.

On the restrictions side of things, I don't really see myself going to a big tourney scene where the restrictions are likely to come in to play. My store is thinking of doing a journeyman league, but from what I gather that's still single list just you're tied to your battlebox.

As for the lists...
List 1- I totally agree on most of what you said. In fact when I relooked at the list I have no idea why I fielded Stormclad without Stormblades.

Revised 1

eCaine
-Stormclad
-Squire
Tempest Gun Mages w/UA
Stormblades w/UA and 2 Stormgunners
Eiryss2
Journeyman Warcaster
Stormblade Captain
Taryn di la Rovissi

List 2- Lanyssa and Aiyana and Holt were to help out with opportune feat turn, since that would give the chargers against the prime target bonus damage and range, ideally to drop the big nasty warnoun I needed to die. But in practice, not so much.

Revised 2

Stryker3
-Ol'Rowdy
Max Stormlances
Stormblade Infantry w/UA and 2 Stormgunners
Katherine Laddermore
Stormblade Captain
Journeyman Warcaster

(Now granted this list is like an auto-lose against eKreuger and Druids, but oh well)

List 3- Yeah, I see the argument for Thorn, and he's nice and all, but I'm in no rush to pick him up. I look forward to trying out eHaley.

List 4 - Like which casters? Besides the Nemos. I liked Thunderhead for Earthquake synergy. Knock something down shoot it 3 times 2 of them auto-hiting. Why drop b13 and Taryn? They are there to allow shooting to go where it's needed, since they can help with LoS issues, so that models aren't blockers to ranged attacks. I figured with a ranged prominent force that would be big.

Once again I do appreciate the feedback.
   
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Thornton-Cleveleys, England

I can understand what you are saying about keeping your interest high but the flip side of that is you never get familiar with a caster and how they play and the interactions between that caster and his list. With jumping around you could get disheartened with lots of casters and eventually the faction.

I don't go to tourney's either (though I would like to go some of smaller events that get run) and I build my lists with character restrictions in mind. It makes you look at other options instead of just dropping the same stuff in a list over and over again and becoming too reliant on it, but that's just how I play and design my lists

With list 1 I still feel the Stormknights and Stormclad is not a great idea. You are totally relying on Arcane Shield to keep the Stormblades alive and from personal experience that is not enough. So you either need a screening unit for them or something else to help them survive so in this case you would be better to drop the Stormblade Captain for Rhupert Carvolo. He will be able to grant them Tough to try and keep them alive. Other option would be to drop the Stormblades and Captain and take Max Boomhowlers who with Arcane Shield have a higher armour and access to 4+ Tough

List 2 - With Fury on the Stormlances most stuff is not surviving auto-hitting POW18+4d6 charge attacks under the feat turn. Kruegar and the druids will just be immune to your shooting and eleaps. Their Immunity: Electricity is not stopping them getting smashed around the face. The main issue with Kruegar is the battlefield manipulation he can get going but that's a headache for most lists anyway.

List 3 - Thorn is a totally different kettle of fish with her compared to a normal Lancer

List 4 - Nemo's and Darius are probably the best options. The Nemo's actually make him a credible melee monster with the ability to turn him into a POW18 melee jack, which is better than his pillow fisted base attacks. The issue you have is that some casters can easily tank your 3 POW14 shots or stuff that is immune to knockdown. You already have stuff that can deal with LOS issues they are called Gun Mages with Thunderbolt shots. Taryn is useful if your meta likes using lots of Battle Enginers/Gargossals to screen their caster and to top it all it's an 18pt module for all of that and for 1pt more you could get the Stormwall. Most knocked down casters are not going to like Rowdy or a Stormclad applying a very large high pow auto-hitting charge attack to their face. If you just drop Thunderhead and Taryn you could get Stormclad, Squire and Rhupert to support the Stormblades all of which I feel is adding more overall to your list. Plus the Stormblades are a more reliable shoot knocked down caster to death because if the Stormgunner hits they all hit and for 9pts you have potentially lots of POW14 (assuming with the 5" bubble) ranged shoots and even RAT5 Stormblades have a good chance of hitting a knocked down caster. Will your tactic work yes, but IMO it's a very heavy investment in points to make it happen.


   
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So I have finally settled on a warcaster of choice.

Commander Sturgis
-Ol'Rowdy
-Squire
Black 13th
Stormblades w/UA
- 2 Stormgunners
Journeyman Warcaster
Allison Jakes
-Stormclad

I've used this list once so far, and liked how it works. My only other approach that I've considered is

Sturgis
-Stormclad
-Squire
Stormblades w/ UA
-2 Stormgunners
Arcane Tempest Gun Mages w/UA
-Hunter
Rhupert
Journeyman Warcaster
   
 
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