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In the Ork codex, Snikrot's ambush rule only applies if no other ICs have joined his Kommando unit. However there is no mention of any IC restrictions in the 'sneaky gitz' rule in the Waagh Gazhkhul supplement for his formation. Does this mean that ICs can join the kommandos if they (the kommandos) are being taken as part of the formation and those ICs will also benefit from the rerolling of cover saves?

Im basically thinking about the formation and adding in some Powerklaw Warbosses or maybe a Painboy, and wondering how doable it is. (I realize these guys dont have stealth, so wont get shrouded).

Honestly can't see anything preventing this.

another question i forgot to ask is "if im playing a mission where nightfighting could happen in turns 2,3 or 4, or if a Solar Pulse was activated giving everyone stealth - A: would the ICs have this 'stealth' turned into Shrouded? and B: would the kommandos get stealth & shrouded or just shrouded?

Nothing about stealth lets you turn it into shrouded

 CrownAxe wrote:
Nothing about stealth lets you turn it into shrouded

Snikrots ambush rule does.

Bear in mind you only need one model in the unit with Stealth or Shrouded and the whole unit gains the benefit.

If their Stealth has been changed to Shrouded due to Snikrots Ambush, and then you gain it due to NightFighting, you'd end up with both Stealth and Shrouded.

Remember the Ambush rule only applies to the squad Snikrots is in, not the other two.

Where are you guys seeing that Snikrots rule for IC doesnt take precedence?

You still use his profile from the Ork Codex, so the rule would still be there.

The Sneaky Gitz special rule just give a clarification on the formation not on redoing Snikrots profile.

It is in the Formation itself:
All Units in this Formation move on from any table edge when they arrive from Reserves.
- Sneaky Gitz, Boss Snikrot's Red Skull Kommandos.

As above, you're not using Ambust to arrive on the table, but the Sneaky Gitz rule.

Also the part of Ambush concerning stealth/shrouded doesn't seem to be effected by having an IC in the unit.

Worst-comes-to-worst, you can definitely not IC's into Kommando units other than Snikrot's and bring them on.

Could always do what tau does. The ic doesn't join the unit the unit joins the ic. They pull this stuff all the time

Pain4Pleasure wrote:
Could always do what tau does. The ic doesn't join the unit the unit joins the ic. They pull this stuff all the time

...what? Unless the unit is composed entirely of ICs, units do not have permission to join other units.

Indeed,
The one trickery with Joining that the 'Tau Does' actually exploits the fact the Unit being joined does not join the Independent Character.

Jovial Jew and Jinx Lizard...

I think Pain was referring to uninformed Tau players playing ovesa...

O'vesa does so by exploiting the fact Joining is a one-way action.

do whut? BAO FAQs linked below (HIWPI)... no ovesa star in the classic sense. Page 12. Maybe we're saying the same thing?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4VC3WZFH6Hnek1leHN4anRncDg/edit?usp=sharing&pli=1


PS sorry for the hijack....

The Frequently Asked Question you linked to is not an official source of errata, it exists so a tournament can close a loophole they believe was not intended and extends only to events run but this group. That loophole might or might not be intended, we simply do not know because O'vesa is the only Monstrous Creature with the Independent Character Special Rule that can freely join other Units. The Authors have not addressed it either way by official errata, which will be found on the Black Library, so we do not have grounds to forbid the Joining.

Right, Jinx. I gotchya. Just HIWPI. Don't like it, but .... the dude abides...



You know I take comfort in just knowing that someone has closed the loopholes....