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Long time lurker who just joined up. I've been playing blob guard for a while now, and it's getting a little boring/my mates are sick of being drowned by 100+ bodies in 1500 point games. So I've decided to start a mech army, but can't for the life of me figure out a good counter for monstrous creatures (which are common here, as everywhere).

I've got vets with meltas/demolitions and some Russes to kill tanks; Wyverns and LRBTs to kill infantry; but if someone throws a couple Riptides/Greater Demons/Nid monsters my way (and they would), I can't come up with a good counter except for autocannon sentinels, and they're expensive for a unit that probably won't be able to do the job in time to prevent disaster. And facing Wraithknights? Forget about it...

With infantry guard, it was easy - get my blob of 30 with prescience and "Bring it Down!" within 12" and the monster's gone (or worse case scenario, tarpit it in the next turn). But mech guard doesn't have the benefit of mass fire, or hordes of unbreakable bodies to use as tarpits.

I'd prefer to not use a Knight (I've got one, but I think it doesn't exactly fit with the theme of the army) or shell out for a minimalist platoon to get access to cheap HWS (again, doesn't fit theme), but if that's what I'd need to do to actually have a fighting chance, that's what I'll do.

So what would you recommend?

As a nid player plasma is always a tough shot to face. You will likely need to kill my cover or find a way to ignore it but plasma is effective against all MC especially in rapid fire range.

Plasmacutioners.... a couple of those will toast a MC as long as he isn't flying, especially if it is Pask's unit. That's what my buddy has been running. Torches an M/C a turn if he needs to. He runs 3 plasmacutioners though. 1+ pask, and a separate unit of 1

Welcome to Dakka!

The best answers you have are:

Plasma Vets: Especially if you can unload them into Rapid Fire range and apply some kind of buff (Orders or Psycic Powers) they should easily throw down a few wounds unless the enemy has a very good invuln (the only one I can think of like this is the Riptide, which sacrifices firepower to get a 3++)

Executioners/Lasplas Vanquishers: Again, these guys really shine with a buff or two heading their way, but even without them, you should be stacking wounds pretty easily, and more importantly at good range.

Astropaths: Cheap Psychic Shriek in a CCS, which is a great counter to MCs. A few Auto-wounds can negate high toughness, and good rolling should put most MCs in the ground. Same works with Primaris Psykers, if they get Telepathy (I can't remember if that's the one they don't get or not)

Pask in an executioner.

Pasknisher with melta and laz. Such ammount of s5 rending shots and a couple of meltas + laz will put some hurt on anything.

However, there's no one right answer. Plazma, massed autocannons, lazcannons - everything will do.

The best answer from my pov are conscripts with a priest or a comissar but i guess you don't have them in a mech list.

 Paradigm wrote:
Welcome to Dakka!

The best answers you have are:

Plasma Vets: Especially if you can unload them into Rapid Fire range and apply some kind of buff (Orders or Psycic Powers) they should easily throw down a few wounds unless the enemy has a very good invuln (the only one I can think of like this is the Riptide, which sacrifices firepower to get a 3++)

Executioners/Lasplas Vanquishers: Again, these guys really shine with a buff or two heading their way, but even without them, you should be stacking wounds pretty easily, and more importantly at good range.

Astropaths: Cheap Psychic Shriek in a CCS, which is a great counter to MCs. A few Auto-wounds can negate high toughness, and good rolling should put most MCs in the ground. Same works with Primaris Psykers, if they get Telepathy (I can't remember if that's the one they don't get or not)

Unfortunately the Primaris Psykers can only generate powers from Biomancy, Divination, Pyromancy and Telekinesis. Using Psychic Shriek is a great idea though, so biggups on that.. Definitely going to bring an Astropath when I play 'nids again.

I've had great success with Pask, both in a Punisher and a Vanquisher, and a couple executioner squadmates.

Lascannons are the bane of wraithknights. 3+ armour save is pretty weak, and you can easily get them on sponsons for russes

Imperial Knight Ally, if you're into that kind of thing.

I started played blob guard in 5th ed and eventually I also added some chimera's for mobility and to allow me to change the playstyle of my army a bit to mix it up. I always used 3xplasma vets in a chimera, sometimes with a powerfist to deal with MCs. Regardless of what the monster was, if I had them then I felt comfortable.

Punisher-Pask is your special nondiscriminatory friend. He kills everything equally.

20 preferred-enemy, rending strength 5 hits will tear most any FMC to shreds.Just be sure to keep him supported.

Depending on how worthy your opponents are, I've found the point-dense Pask-Squad to be a liability, requiring yet more points spent to bubble wrap so... YMMV.

Wyvern's rock such fantastic delicious spicy sauce, bring many!

Sentinels match a mech army, provide cheap firepower and can tie up (Front AV12) units in CC.

Mech Vets... ahh... Your either fielding three Plasma/Melta or Two specials & a h.flamer.

Inquisitor vehicles can add a good options; cheap psybacks (Str6 TL shots) or The 5-Firepoint chimeras (special weapons/servitors/Jakeros).

Manticores if you aim to use prescience psykers. Otherwise they are too unreliable with scatter combined with limited ammo + D3 blasts.

Eradicators are useful for the passive ignores cover + combined with full heavy bolters = a dakka boat.

Leman Russ Shells with (Not a battle cannon) weapons are good! AV14 can be very intimating if fielded cheaply.

I second the Eradicator. It's one of the less popular options but as a nids player, the strength ap and ignores cover blast scares the pants off the Harpy, Hive Crone, Toxicrene and anything else caught in the crossfire. Might try PC sponsons/Melta and the front mounted lascannon to knock down Carnifexes and other 3+ save monsters after the Eradictor shell kills the Venomthrope giving everyone cover.

Because honestly if you bring anything that doesn't ignore cover, 20 rending shots or 5 plasma cannon blasts what have you, I'm really not scared. I can just take my 2+ cover save all day long.

against singular MCs, I don't think the executioner is best way to go. If you want a dedicated anti MC unit I would give a vet squad 3 plasma guns and a lascannon and put them in a chimera. Try to get within 12" for rapid fire

Run an Armoured Battle Group and use Vanquishers with Beast-Hunter Shells.

Instant death for MCs. Best thing I can think of.