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So apparently this is a thing.

Ohboyohboyohboy

Mhmmm.

My expectations would be fairly shallow here. What I got from the video was that a lot of wasted potential, given that they've took such a famous and well-crafted IP and essentially turned it into Counterstrike with cyborgs. Kind of reminds me how Microsoft screwed up the Shadowrun FPS.

The use of canon characters is obviously an issue, as - even setting aside my personal preferences for custom characters - it means there'll be a limited number of popular figures people will want to play. Some of the mechanics seem rather fun, but if the film was not sped up the gameplay seems to be ridiculously fast and twitch-based rather than tactical, as would have fit better to the original show. Not to mention silly achievements as if this were CoD or BF. Using the Laughing Man to censor violent deaths was a funny reference, though.

All in all, not something I'd look forward to. They could have done so much more with the license...

Also, why the need to sex up the Major further? They should've just stuck to her original combat outfit in the series, rather than altering the uniform to provide additional cleavage, and then spend a full second of the trailer to focus on pointing it out.

inb4 dakka's resident WGDF (am I doing this right? )

Ugh lynata seriously who cares about her cleavage. Yes they did show it off but if i remember the show had the 'major' fight off multiple hooker bots at a time. It's not like the show didn't have fan service. Also remember the movie where for whatever reason the major gets naked or similar for the robot fight. In a part we see her boobs because you know that's needed. It's not like this is that big a deal for 'ghost in the shell' to show a little cleavage.

I don't have high hopes. You know the counterstrike thing and well I never cared for when a game tries to adapt characters from other genres. Just go with the setting and themes and then make a game from that. I don't think you need to bring the major.

You know I think the closest thing to a GITS game that I would want to play would be DX:HR. They really robed liberally from GITS's look

 flamingkillamajig wrote:
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So apparently this is a thing.

Could you post the article please? For those of us who can't view kotaku?

This is basically what it said through a copy and paste.

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This Might Be The Ghost in the Shell FPS You've Been Waiting For12

South Korea's Nexon just released a trailer for its upcoming Ghost in the Shell first-person shooter. The online title is for PC and looks like it could be a good time.

According to an Inven interview, the game is slated for the first half of next year. Locations from Ghost in the Shell have been turned into game maps, and the title will have micro-transactions that, apparently, won't muck up the game balance.3

No word yet on whether this will see a release outside South Korea.4

공각기동대 온라인 – 트레일러 영상 [Nexon@YouTube Thanks, Sang!]

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That's pretty much everything it showed besides a GIF of the action in the trailer.

flamingkillamajig wrote:Ugh lynata seriously who cares about her cleavage.

I do, else I wouldn't have mentioned that.

The show already had a lot of sexy moments and outfits, as you correctly pointed out, and which I liked. So why was it necessary to take the "tame" combat uniform and sex it up? And then specifically point it out in the trailer? There is such a thing as "too much of a good thing".
It is both the breach with the original source material, as well as this budding trend to just throw boobies into peoples' faces to garner more interest that just don't sit right with me. This is exactly the same philosophy that gets us character designs such as these and which keeps messing up conventions with booth babes instead of actual game presentations.

Some (a lot of?) people will obviously like that, but I think it's immature and it messes with my immersion. I'm not 14 anymore, and I can do without rule #34 for one of my favourite animes, thanks.

In the end, though, this is just one of several reasons for me to be sceptical about this title.

nomotog wrote:Just go with the setting and themes and then make a game from that. I don't think you need to bring the major.
You know I think the closest thing to a GITS game that I would want to play would be DX:HR. They really robed liberally from GITS's look

Exactly!

Though I'd probably bring in the Major somehow, as an NPC to give you missions, or for you to meet 1-2 times - perhaps at the climax of the campaign. Just for the recognition value.

For me it's about different opinions clashing. Some people will like the cleavage and some won't. It was not needed to throw it out there but i can live with it. Remember also that was just a trailer.

What i also wouldn't understand is if some would claim the 'major' to be a bad female protagonist for being attractive (though i'm sure it's easy for somebody with cybernetic implants in this show if they so desired). In the end people have different ideas of these sorts of things. I mean in a sense you have what some women wish they were (an attractive woman kicking ***) and i find that no different from male power fantasy if that's what you want to call it. It really all depends on the viewer i guess. Some consider these things empowerment while others consider it degradation (i can throw that out for male action heroes too). For people normally it's their own freaking choice when they decide to do something. In this case though since the characters are just pixels they don't have any sort of choices of their own. So in this case it's more a matter of taste. That said just because i have a different taste doesn't mean i'll force others to change for me. I do think it means i'd prefer something to something else however.

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More on topic i liked the invisible screen and some of the gadgets they had. The action seemed very 'time crisis' style for some reason and i'm not sure that's a good thing. Part of the reason it might not be is that 'time crisis' seems poorly acted and the action is so over-the-top (yet the explosions are kinda cartoonish) it's just ridiculous.

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As far as the boobs go at least it isn't as bad as say 'the witcher' or 'god of war'. I don't know much of 'god of war' other than everything being over-the-top and there being plenty of sex. That said i generally don't go for that in games as i like to separate sex and other activities usually. In the end for you it's your choice. If you don't want to play the game you don't have to.

Also worth noting i think those character designs are from the same game company.

I'm not a FPS player and the trailer didn't show anything that would attract me. Overall seems like a niche game.

GITS ala LA Noir or Deus Ex would be marvellous.

 Lynata wrote:

flamingkillamajig wrote:Ugh lynata seriously who cares about her cleavage.

I do, else I wouldn't have mentioned that.

The show already had a lot of sexy moments and outfits, as you correctly pointed out, and which I liked. So why was it necessary to take the "tame" combat uniform and sex it up? And then specifically point it out in the trailer? There is such a thing as "too much of a good thing".
It is both the breach with the original source material, as well as this budding trend to just throw boobies into peoples' faces to garner more interest that just don't sit right with me. This is exactly the same philosophy that gets us character designs such as these and which keeps messing up conventions with booth babes instead of actual game presentations.

Some (a lot of?) people will obviously like that, but I think it's immature and it messes with my immersion. I'm not 14 anymore, and I can do without rule #34 for one of my favourite animes, thanks.

In the end, though, this is just one of several reasons for me to be sceptical about this title.

nomotog wrote:Just go with the setting and themes and then make a game from that. I don't think you need to bring the major.
You know I think the closest thing to a GITS game that I would want to play would be DX:HR. They really robed liberally from GITS's look

Exactly!

Though I'd probably bring in the Major somehow, as an NPC to give you missions, or for you to meet 1-2 times - perhaps at the climax of the campaign. Just for the recognition value.

Just add cleavage is maybe as lazy as you can get when including sex appeal. A lot of the time the results are often just bad looking.

I think it's easy to understand what's my opinion of rule #34 and the whole sex-appeal thing considering my avatar

Wasn't there a scene in GiTS that showed off the major's nude body?

I like how that head shot was censored, btw :3

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Wasn't there a scene in GiTS that showed off the major's nude body?

Several. Best one is when she stripped down and threw on the camo cloak XD They never actually explained why she had to take her clothes off for that...

Also Lynata, that's not the Magor's original outfit. it's from season 2 of stand alone. This is season 1;



But I do get your point XD and agree.

iirc, the TV series outfits that she wore were sexed up from the manga. I'd need to double check and dig out my copy, but my recollection is that her outfits in the manga were pretty much in line with the rest of her team.

Didn't stop anyone and everyone else from showing skin, and there was apparently some gratuitous stuff in the original Japanese release of the manga of the Major while off-duty. But when she was on the job, she wasn't dressed like the TV show screen grab above.

I have given this more thought and a FPS is the worst way you can adapt GITS. I mean you have cyborgs and cool guns, but most of the show was about looking at how futuristic technology might impact our daily lives. You really need something like an RPG or maybe an adventure game to really dig into that. (I think an mmo done well might be the best because you can repaint a lot of mmosims in a new context as real life elements of a world rampant with connectivity.)

TheDraconicLord wrote:I think it's easy to understand what's my opinion of rule #34 and the whole sex-appeal thing considering my avatar

Nothing against Kill la Kill! But it's all about expectations and staying true to the source, imo.

LordofHats wrote:Several. Best one is when she stripped down and threw on the camo cloak XD They never actually explained why she had to take her clothes off for that...

Actually, you're referring to the original movie here, not Stand Alone Complex which this game is a spin-off of.

The optical cloak Motoko used in the movie functioned differently from the SAC version in that it was a specific material rather than some sort of field generator. You can see this when, for example, the Major pulls up a transparent foil that was covering her eyes after deactivating the cloak. Or when the killer she hunts in the first segment of the movie pulls a hood over his head in order to go invisible.

I've not read the design documents for the movie, but to me this implies that the cloak is triggered by the material, like .. well, an actual cloak you pull over your body, rather than some energy field. And the Major wasn't naked, it was just that her suit was really tight and had a somewhat similar colour as her skin.



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In contrast, in the SAC series (and consequently, this video game) it seems to work more like a sort of field generator, seeing as even normal humans can use the cloak without their natural skin remaining visible.

I can't remember a single scene in SAC where we actually saw the Major (or any other character) fully naked, presumably because unlike the two movies it was aimed at a younger audience and/or was supposed to be more accessible and "family-friendly" - though there was a scene that was vaguely hinting at the girl-on-girl stuff that was going on in the manga, but you wouldn't get it unless you either knew its meaning, or perhaps had a kinky enough mind that you'd just interpret sexual connotations into something ambiguous.

LordofHats wrote:Also Lynata, that's not the Magor's original outfit. it's from season 2 of stand alone.

I know that, I even specifically pointed out in an earlier post that the Major had sexier clothes. The thing is, that's not what they went for. In that case I'd have merely thought "meh, why did they choose this one instead of that". But no, they took the one "professional" outfit ... and messed it up.

nomotog wrote:I have given this more thought and a FPS is the worst way you can adapt GITS. I mean you have cyborgs and cool guns, but most of the show was about looking at how futuristic technology might impact our daily lives. You really need something like an RPG or maybe an adventure game to really dig into that. (I think an mmo done well might be the best because you can repaint a lot of mmosims in a new context as real life elements of a world rampant with connectivity.)

Well, you can have FPS+RPG in one, see Deus Ex. I really think that would have been the best way to go ... as already pointed out, Deus Ex is pretty much a reskinned GitS.

That being said, I'd totally dig a GitS MMO, although it would probably suffer from the usual consequences of "everyone being the hero". Then again, you could probably come up with a story like a couple thousand cyborg bodies being stolen, and every player wakes up in one of them or something ... Remember Solid State Society?

nomotog wrote:
I have given this more thought and a FPS is the worst way you can adapt GITS. I mean you have cyborgs and cool guns, but most of the show was about looking at how futuristic technology might impact our daily lives. You really need something like an RPG or maybe an adventure game to really dig into that. (I think an mmo done well might be the best because you can repaint a lot of mmosims in a new context as real life elements of a world rampant with connectivity.)

I think Appleseed would work better for most of that. In GitS, you're just starting to see the transition to all of the new technologies. Appleseed is further along, and some of the stresses are starting to show. But GitS gets most of the attention.

Of course, there's a reason for that attention. The animated Appleseed stories haven't been anywhere near as good as the animated GitS stories. It seems like people instantly go stupid when presented with the opportunity to write an animated Appleseed story...

 Lynata wrote:
Actually, you're referring to the original movie here, not Stand Alone Complex which this game is a spin-off of.

Nope. It's the episode where a crazy ex-girlfriend is trying to frame Paz. Episode 13 season 2 At the end of the episode the Magor appears from under a camo cloak, and is evidently naked underneath (for no apparent reason).

But yeah I do remember the movie presents the technology differently than the series did. That's why the return of the older material cloak was odd in SAC.

LordofHats wrote:Nope. It's the episode where a crazy ex-girlfriend is trying to frame Paz. Episode 13 season 2 At the end of the episode the Magor appears from under a camo cloak, and is evidently naked underneath (for no apparent reason).

But yeah I do remember the movie presents the technology differently than the series did. That's why the return of the older material cloak was odd in SAC.

Hmm. I shall investigate!
Been too long since I last watched it, anyways. Sounds weird indeed, tho! And it wasn't explained by the circumstances or something...?

I have to say, I actually like the original tech on the cloak more. It's less .. refined, yes, but at the same time it feels more realistic that way. Granted, we're talking about a setting with cyborg brains and 3D matrix surfing etc, but still, even in sci-fi there are levels of how fantastical a setting may be (for example, Battletech and Elite refusing to employ magical gravity and instead using stuff like centrifugal force or magnetic boots).

Eumerin wrote:
iirc, the TV series outfits that she wore were sexed up from the manga. I'd need to double check and dig out my copy, but my recollection is that her outfits in the manga were pretty much in line with the rest of her team.

Didn't stop anyone and everyone else from showing skin, and there was apparently some gratuitous stuff in the original Japanese release of the manga of the Major while off-duty. But when she was on the job, she wasn't dressed like the TV show screen grab above.

In the original Japanese manga there is a lesbian cybersex scene.

IDK if you would call it gratuitous because part of the concept of the series is that "thought" is as real as reality, or not, as you like. Much like The Matrix, cod philosophy blah blah, etc.

Back on topic, there was a GitS shooter on PS1 if I remember correctly.

The Major's sexuality has been played with a number of times across the various adaptations, but I don't think the series ever gets very explicit.

 Kilkrazy wrote:

In the original Japanese manga there is a lesbian cybersex scene.

IDK if you would call it gratuitous because part of the concept of the series is that "thought" is as real as reality, or not, as you like. Much like The Matrix, cod philosophy blah blah, etc.

It's Shirow. He does porn on the side. I'm pretty sure that it was gratuitous, even if he worked in an angle to legitimize it.




On a somewhat related note, the 2nd GitS manga series had a similar scene. But I'm not sure what the process was to determine who got it and who didn't. There's a scene involving a hacker who inflates her levels of iirc either endorphins or adrenaline. In one version of it, she does so with drugs. In the alternate version, she does it by having sex during the sequence. The odd thing is, I have both the Dark Horse release of the series, and the Japanese collected book. And both use the drug version of the scene.

Gah my mind reels at the wasted chances with this game, and whom will this be marked at? 15 year old boys? Because the art direction and style is less than medicore

 Lynata wrote:
inb4 dakka's resident WGDF (am I doing this right? )

What does WGDF means and did flamingkillamajig played the role?

Also WTF is that thing at 1:15 and later, covering every headshot?

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 Lynata wrote:
inb4 dakka's resident WGDF (am I doing this right? )

What does WGDF means and did flamingkillamajig played the role?

Also WTF is that thing at 1:15 and later, covering every headshot?

The laughing man symbol. It's completely out of context though and another reason to think this game is done wrong.

Could also mean "white guy defense force"

 Melissia wrote:
Could also mean "white guy defense force"

What are you talking about?

The acronym, WGDF.

Not sure why this is being turned into an on-line shooter, the setting and the themes the material handles would be far better suited for a game along the lines of Deus Ex: Human Revolution or a RPG of some sort.