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What's your pick?

A stock Wraithknight. Hard to do much better for 240 points.

Fireprism. Just like how it looks

Warwalkers with dual scatterlasers. More bang for the bucks.

A stock Wraithknight and 3 War walkers with twin SL. In fact, I always use both.

We have HS options besides Wraith Knights?

WW's with either Dual SL or SL/SC. I like dual for volume, but with the rise of MC's, I find the AP2 to be more and more useful. Stock WK's are great and hard to beat, but watching an opponents face when you roll 24-18 twin linked S6 dice is about the most fun you can have in 40k.

I'm a big fan of Vaul's Support Batteries as an ally in my dark eldar force.

 extremefreak17 wrote:
A stock Wraithknight. Hard to do much better for 240 points.

yep

Night Spinners are my favorite, they're so interesting to use. Most other Eldar support choices just sort of hang out in your back field, whereas Night Spinners are more rough-and-tumble.

(If the game is competitive, then War Walkers and/or Wraightknights are my choice).

ok, How about for a 1000 point list? would you still go with a wraith knight?

 Nicky86 wrote:
ok, How about for a 1000 point list? would you still go with a wraith knight?

If anything, they're even more powerful at low point levels.

I have a soft spot for any of the grav tanks, even the humble Falcon (it’s what drew me to the army in the first place) Bang for buck, you probably want the WK though.

 Dash2021 wrote:
We have HS options besides Wraith Knights?

WW's with either Dual SL or SL/SC. I like dual for volume, but with the rise of MC's, I find the AP2 to be more and more useful. Stock WK's are great and hard to beat, but watching an opponents face when you roll 24-18 twin linked S6 dice is about the most fun you can have in 40k.

No. Not always. Volume of fire is also decisive.
Three WWs with dual SL give 24 shots and so 16 hits on average. If guided even more.

Wk is obviously one of, if not the most potent HS options in our army and in the game. As stated above, low points levels they get even better as your opponents option to deal with them decreases.

We have a great problem, in that even though WK outclasses most of our HS options, the rest are still great. Vauls wrath is maybe one of the most points efficient artillery pieces in the game. WW's are amazeabalz. Falcon's would be great in any army that doesn't have WS's as a dedicated transport. Dark Reapers ignoring jink in a meta that is crazy flier and skimmer heavy can be game changing.

It's really hard to make a bad HS choice in our codex.

I think im starting to lean towards the wraith knight......I think war walkers would be my second choice. I love the look of the falcon tanks, but all it takes is one good shot.....

My favourites the Dark Reapers. Although I use an Aspect based list so that's why I like them.

I use Dark Reapers for foot-only lists, Night Spinner for a 'fun' game, or War Walkers when I know it's going to be against a horde.

Not used em but faceing them (using de/necron) i hate dark reapers theve got range and multipul missile types and ignor jink, then support batteries d cannon ones for me are the worst blast stong and possible id. Wraith knights are not a problem posion and deathmarks do them in remarkable well. And the others are vehicals and any av is fairly easy to kill for me.

Vaul's Wrath (in my Mechdar)

So many opponents will point a slew of fire in their direction and with conceal they're rocking that 3+ cover and can take 5 T7 wounds before losing a gun.

DCannons are one of the most fun weapons in the game too. Nothing quite like seeing you opponent underestimate Vaul's Wrath and see Tigerius and Centurions disintegrate.

But d@mn the models are expensive.

EDIT: Also love my Night Spinner, Falcon, and Dark Reapers.

I think the hidden gem of the HS choices is the Vaul's Wrath Battery. Add a Farseer to the unit for Guide/Prescience and d-cannons and/or shadow weavers can be absolutely devastating.

The humble Wraithlord. He still holds his own.

 Dash2021 wrote:
We have HS options besides Wraith Knights?

WW's with either Dual SL or SL/SC. I like dual for volume, but with the rise of MC's, I find the AP2 to be more and more useful. Stock WK's are great and hard to beat, but watching an opponents face when you roll 24-18 twin linked S6 dice is about the most fun you can have in 40k.

Sadly The dual scatter laser loadout doesnt benefit from laser lock under RAW: the SL's all fire at the same time so there is not a weapon left to fire "next".


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I'd go with 2 answers as the question can't exist in a vacuum:

if your playing with footdar the vauls wrath is amazing, put the squad under cover in the center and your d weapons can cover most of the board and a jetseer can hide in the group to drop buffs as needed and stay safe and sound in T7

if your playing with serpent spam a wraith knight (240 poitns) seems liek a winner

an awesome outside choice is a WK with the suncannon/shield/scatter laser who is also the iyanden warlord. Theres some really great things one can roll as a warlord trait+slay the warlord denial

While not as effective, I often name a Wraithlord as my warlord. He *is* a lord after all...

ninety0ne wrote:

 Dash2021 wrote:
We have HS options besides Wraith Knights?

WW's with either Dual SL or SL/SC. I like dual for volume, but with the rise of MC's, I find the AP2 to be more and more useful. Stock WK's are great and hard to beat, but watching an opponents face when you roll 24-18 twin linked S6 dice is about the most fun you can have in 40k.

Sadly The dual scatter laser loadout doesnt benefit from laser lock under RAW: the SL's all fire at the same time so there is not a weapon left to fire "next".

Wasn't implying they twin-linked themselves, but that they'd get guide/prescience. WW's and guide go together like pb&j. Sorry I didn't clarify that, I just kind of assume twin-linking WW's is a given.

Falcons.

Not great, and barely even good, but I do enjoy them as sniper support when I run Illic and Pathfinders. I have a lot of fun using the traditional tanks in this Wave Serpent world we live in. Part of the joys of not playing competitively. Ghostwalk and holo-fields in the same ruins as the snipers means good use of 36" and 48" range strong guns and a constant 3+ save shifting it around an inch or two in the ruins every turn and letting the turret do its thing.

Fire Prisms in the same vein, using Heavy Support as backfield units or area-denial units while my troops (except snipers) focus more on speed and herding the rest of the table.

 Dash2021 wrote:
Wk is obviously one of, if not the most potent HS options in our army and in the game. As stated above, low points levels they get even better as your opponents option to deal with them decreases.

We have a great problem, in that even though WK outclasses most of our HS options, the rest are still great. Vauls wrath is maybe one of the most points efficient artillery pieces in the game. WW's are amazeabalz. Falcon's would be great in any army that doesn't have WS's as a dedicated transport. Dark Reapers ignoring jink in a meta that is crazy flier and skimmer heavy can be game changing.

It's really hard to make a bad HS choice in our codex.

Wraithlords are generally meh, since they are too slow and have too less damage output.
However, if you face a horde army and some infiltrators or outflankers, their dual flamers are quite handy.
Other than that, leave them on the shelf.

 wuestenfux wrote:

 Dash2021 wrote:
Wk is obviously one of, if not the most potent HS options in our army and in the game. As stated above, low points levels they get even better as your opponents option to deal with them decreases.

We have a great problem, in that even though WK outclasses most of our HS options, the rest are still great. Vauls wrath is maybe one of the most points efficient artillery pieces in the game. WW's are amazeabalz. Falcon's would be great in any army that doesn't have WS's as a dedicated transport. Dark Reapers ignoring jink in a meta that is crazy flier and skimmer heavy can be game changing.

It's really hard to make a bad HS choice in our codex.

Wraithlords are generally meh, since they are too slow and have too less damage output.
However, if you face a horde army and some infiltrators or outflankers, their dual flamers are quite handy.
Other than that, leave them on the shelf.

I agree WL are the worst choice in the HS slot, but I wouldn't say they're bad. I'd consider "bad" to mean they are functionally useless, in the vein of Howling Banshees. WL's are great game wise once they're on the table, it's just that the rules writers were drunk when they came up with their points value. If WL's were reasonably costed points wise, you'd still see them in competitive lists all the time. T8, 3+, decent melee stat line, with BS4 and two heavy weapons is actually a great platform. Bring them down ~75 points and it's almost an insta take.

Bad would be being both over costed and functionally useless, i.e. howling banshees/bulgrin/etc. HB's have worse dmg output than SScorpions, worse survivability, cost nearly the same, and to top it off no way of actually reaching combat (outside of DE now). It might be playing a bit of semantics to distinguish between "bad" and "least optimal", but I think it's important to bring up. I have loved my WL's up until this codex. The only thing that has changed is how well everything else is priced, and how horrendously overpriced WL's still are. Their rules are fine, so outside of shorting yourself a few points they'll perform the roll you purchase them for well. Contrast with HB's who will litterally accomplish nothing.

But I do agree, they should be last in line to take up a HS slot.

 Dash2021 wrote:
I agree WL are the worst choice in the HS slot,

I disagree. Wraithlords at least can have some fun (and somewhat usefull) ability of dropping down and deep striking from allies.

My favorite is wraith knights.
My least favorite is Falcon. Utter garbage in my eyes.

Dark Reapers. Thematic, and good at what they do.

I think O.P should distinguish the thread between favorite heavy support to use (for whatever reason) And Best heavy support.