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Don't know if that's insanely brilliant or insanely insane!
Question - how do you valejo??
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MordorMiniatures wrote: Stick some rare earth magnets inside, then use a magnet on the outside to swirl it around! By far, the best method
Yea that works, but this is far more consistent. And cheap. Plus, just the sheer volume of paints that I have prohibit that. I've got well over 300 dropper bottles. (Mostly my own pains I've mixed), and that's just too much to add magnets to!
MordorMiniatures wrote: Stick some rare earth magnets inside, then use a magnet on the outside to swirl it around! By far, the best method
Yea that works, but this is far more consistent. And cheap. Plus, just the sheer volume of paints that I have prohibit that. I've got well over 300 dropper bottles. (Mostly my own pains I've mixed), and that's just too much to add magnets to!
Why is it too much ? There certainly is less work involved.
MordorMiniatures wrote: Stick some rare earth magnets inside, then use a magnet on the outside to swirl it around! By far, the best method
Yea that works, but this is far more consistent. And cheap. Plus, just the sheer volume of paints that I have prohibit that. I've got well over 300 dropper bottles. (Mostly my own pains I've mixed), and that's just too much to add magnets to!
Why is it too much ? There certainly is less work involved.
300 rare earth magnets will cost me more than it cost me to build that little paint shaker. pure and simple frugality.
Its not that the magnet process is "more work" but there is considerable more cost to me as well as time.
Everyone has a different process that works for them. This one works for me and i wanted to share.
JWMarines wrote: Brilliant. ...and I already have everything needed for it. Looks like I now have a paint shaker system.
I hope it serves you as well as it has served me!
A zip strap is also very handy. For Vallejo metallic paints, I run it for 10-15 minutes to mix it up. There are certain colors like brass that are so hard get properly re-mixed :X .
Awesome idea, went to Home Depot to buy the parts, and ended up wasting my time. The clamps they sell have extremely thick bars that could not possibly fit into any of the jigsaws they had on display.
Anybody know specifically what clamp to buy and what jigsaw it would work in?
"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
MordorMiniatures wrote: Stick some rare earth magnets inside, then use a magnet on the outside to swirl it around! By far, the best method
Yea that works, but this is far more consistent. And cheap. Plus, just the sheer volume of paints that I have prohibit that. I've got well over 300 dropper bottles. (Mostly my own pains I've mixed), and that's just too much to add magnets to!
Why is it too much ? There certainly is less work involved.
300 rare earth magnets will cost me more than it cost me to build that little paint shaker. pure and simple frugality.
Its not that the magnet process is "more work" but there is considerable more cost to me as well as time.
Everyone has a different process that works for them. This one works for me and i wanted to share.
Magnets are a lot less expensive than you think my brother.
300 magnets is about 15 bucks and if you want to be cheaper, you just put steel balls inside and magnets outside.
That being said, I have no idea how well it works when the magnets are in it.
I've no intrest in putting magnets in my paints. To each their own though. It's a viable option that works. Some of my friends just used steel bbs too.
At one point I added those gel water balls from the dollar store. Helps stop them from drying out, but they don't for in droplets so that stopped.
The wife and I were at Harbor Freight earlier, and while I was looking at the jigsaws, she had a suggestion as to something I could use. So, with just two rubber bands to secure a paint bottle to the top of it, it appeared to work quite well when I tested it out. And just what was it I used at my wife's suggestion? The Hitachi Magic Wand.
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"Through the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see.
One chants out between two worlds: Fire, walk with me." - Twin Peaks
"You listen to me. While I will admit to a certain cynicism, the fact is that I am a naysayer and hatchetman in the fight against violence. I pride myself in taking a punch and I'll gladly take another because I choose to live my life in the company of Gandhi and King. My concerns are global. I reject absolutely revenge, aggression, and retaliation. The foundation of such a method... is love. I love you Sheriff Truman." - Twin Peaks
The wife and I were at Harbor Freight earlier, and while I was looking at the jigsaws, she had a suggestion as to something I could use.
So, with just two rubber bands to secure a paint bottle to the top of it, it appeared to work quite well when I tested it out.
And just what was it I used at my wife's suggestion?
The Hitachi Magic Wand.
A quickclamp works really well, and you can fasten that to both reciprocal and jigsaws by removing the guard plate (and blade!!) with an Allen key.
Tannhauser42 wrote: Awesome idea, went to Home Depot to buy the parts, and ended up wasting my time. The clamps they sell have extremely thick bars that could not possibly fit into any of the jigsaws they had on display.
Anybody know specifically what clamp to buy and what jigsaw it would work in?
Looking at the video, it is one of the cheaper jigsaws without the quick change blade holder. Most are designed with a holder to use the "T" style blades now...even stuff like the cheapo B&D jig saws. You need to go cheaper than that even...the cheapest jigsaw Harbor Freight has to offer will work:
If you look at the blade holder, it has a set screw instead of a clamp mechanism. In the video, you can see the person locking the clamp in place using the set screw too. The clamp is a "one handed micro bar clamp" from Irwin. Should have those at Lowes or Home Depot as well as at most other hardware type stores and many hobby stores. You may need to modify the blade holder a bit in order to have it open wide enough to pinch the bar though. In most cases this just involves getting a longer screw to replace the stock set screw (it has been years since I have seen a jig saw that used that sort of blade change though...so some of the newer ones might require more fiddling). The second video looks like a knock off of the same Irwin clamp (probably available at Harbor Freight as well).
Lots of tools have the motion needed to shake paint. A palm sander turned upside down works a bit like a vortex mixer. You can use 1" PVC pipe to create a cradle to hook onto regular jig saw blades (as well as reciprocating saws).
The wife and I were at Harbor Freight earlier, and while I was looking at the jigsaws, she had a suggestion as to something I could use.
So, with just two rubber bands to secure a paint bottle to the top of it, it appeared to work quite well when I tested it out.
And just what was it I used at my wife's suggestion?
The Hitachi Magic Wand.
Won't even get into that one...
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One thing to keep in mind though. You are exceeding the design specs of, well everything when you do something like this. Although catastrophic failure is unlikely, it will probably be pretty hard on the internals of the jig saw...the locking mechanism of the clamp and even the bottles themselves. It is moving at a pretty good clip, but not dangerous - so a failure of the clamp might knock something over...but unlikely to cause serious damage. Burned out cheapo jig saw can be replaced pretty easily. If the bottle breaks...bit of a mess, but it is less than an ounce of paint.
I would probably look at getting an inline speed controller, just to dial it back from the 2000-3000 cycles per minute that most jigsaws operate at to something under 1000 (would probably shoot for something down around 60-100 to be honest). Takes a good bit of shaking by hand - but even at 100 cycles per minute - you would only need to run it for 10-15 seconds or so to get it fairly well shook up.
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MordorMiniatures wrote: Stick some rare earth magnets inside, then use a magnet on the outside to swirl it around! By far, the best method
Yea that works, but this is far more consistent. And cheap. Plus, just the sheer volume of paints that I have prohibit that. I've got well over 300 dropper bottles. (Mostly my own pains I've mixed), and that's just too much to add magnets to!
Why is it too much ? There certainly is less work involved.
300 rare earth magnets will cost me more than it cost me to build that little paint shaker. pure and simple frugality.
Its not that the magnet process is "more work" but there is considerable more cost to me as well as time.
Everyone has a different process that works for them. This one works for me and i wanted to share.
Magnets are a lot less expensive than you think my brother.
300 magnets is about 15 bucks and if you want to be cheaper, you just put steel balls inside and magnets outside.
That being said, I have no idea how well it works when the magnets are in it.
Don't rare earth magnets eventually start to corrode? I don't think it's something you'd want to leave in a paint tin.
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Sean_OBrien wrote: You are exceeding the design specs of, well everything when you do something like this. Although catastrophic failure is unlikely, it will probably be pretty hard on the internals of the jig saw...the locking mechanism of the clamp and even the bottles themselves. It is moving at a pretty good clip, but not dangerous - so a failure of the clamp might knock something over...but unlikely to cause serious damage. Burned out cheapo jig saw can be replaced pretty easily. If the bottle breaks...bit of a mess, but it is less than an ounce of paint.
I don't imagine you're going much over the design limits of the jigsaw, though I'd recommend holding the jigsaw vertical to reduce the torque on it from the weight of the clamp and bottle. The bottle itself, who knows what the design limits on that might be, lol.
But I can't say I've tried it... wouldn't the paint be really foamy when you open it?
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I don't imagine you're going much over the design limits of the jigsaw, though I'd recommend holding the jigsaw vertical to reduce the torque on it from the weight of the clamp and bottle. The bottle itself, who knows what the design limits on that might be, lol.
But I can't say I've tried it... wouldn't the paint be really foamy when you open it?
It is really more along the lines of running a motor flat out without a load.
Jig saws are designed to work against something. The "weight" of a bottle of paint...and a clamp...and whatever else you might stick to it really isn't much compared to cutting into wood or other materials. Running motors without a load for extended periods of time is hard on the bearings that rely on that load to slow things down a bit. Depending on how the motor controller is designed, that lack of load could also burn it out too.
Regarding the foamy...I get some frothing if I hold bottles wrong on my vortex mixer. I would guess this would be much worse. Even more so if they are using any sort of detergent as a surfactant (as many who are prone to this sort of thing do...).
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Sean_OBrien wrote: They do - quite quickly for the cheaper ones too. Granted, it isn't rust type corrosion...they just start to flake apart.
For some reason I recall the coating turning a greenish black when left under water.... that may have been something completely different though But under the coating I thought they were largely iron which would rust/corrode. Yeah, here's something...
Sean_OBrien wrote: It is really more along the lines of running a motor flat out without a load.
Jig saws are designed to work against something. The "weight" of a bottle of paint...and a clamp...and whatever else you might stick to it really isn't much compared to cutting into wood or other materials. Running motors without a load for extended periods of time is hard on the bearings that rely on that load to slow things down a bit. Depending on how the motor controller is designed, that lack of load could also burn it out too.
I understand what you mean, though I think jigsaws would be designed to run for a few seconds without load as they'd have in mind that people spool them up before making contact and continue to run them briefly after the cut is complete (along with the sudden jolt of storing/releasing the elastic energy when starting and finishing a cut).
You also have people cutting very thin or insignificant materials that would barely slow the blade compared to the inertia of a clamp and bottle.
If you ran it for more than a few seconds at a time I might start worrying about it.
Regarding the foamy...I get some frothing if I hold bottles wrong on my vortex mixer. I would guess this would be much worse. Even more so if they are using any sort of detergent as a surfactant (as many who are prone to this sort of thing do...).
Yeah, I hate frothing when it comes to hairy brush painting, having to blow on the paint to get rid of bubbles before they dry. Not so much a problem with airbrushing I guess.
This is what mine looks like, using a recip saw Running it for a good 10-15 minutes is no problem. I use another quickgrip to hold the trigger down, and I use a vice (in my garage) to hold it in place while I pursue other endeavors
