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From what I've read, after the Horus Heresy the Alpha Legion didn't head for the Eye of Terror and have avoided the warp so would they be mutated with tentacles, spikes etc like other Chaos Space Marines or would they look more like regular Space Marines?

If you have tentacles, how are you supposed to infiltrate Loyalist Chapters?

Of course, if you don't have tentacles, how are you supposed to infiltrate a heavily mutated renegade Chapter?

Do you have tentacles? You are Alpha Legion...we are all Alpha Legion

Wouldnt it be hard to tell under all that armor?

 Desubot wrote:
Wouldnt it be hard to tell under all that armor?

Tentacles manage to find a way >.>

There has been depictions of mutated Alpha Legion marines in the BL novels. First one that comes to mind would be Hunt for Voldorius.

Generally do you think they'd look more like Space Marine tactical marines, or mutated like Dark vengeance chosen?

Basically, I think it could go either way. A nice choice if you want to be both fluffy and have some models that can supplement a list out of either C:SM or C:CSM I'd say.

You could model a loyalist space marine with 6 fingers or a tiny tentacle somewhere. Cunning Alpha Legionaire infiltrator.

If you've spent time in the warp, you're gonna get mutated eventually.

Although the Alpha Legionnaires themselves don't really infiltrate people. They're the puppet masters, not the foot sloggers. They use mindscrubbed indoctrinated sleeper agents for that stuff.

Here is a quote from the Index Astartes article on the Alpha Legion concerning their Gene Seed and mutation.

While the Alpha legion does not reside in the Eye of Terror, and therefore is not plagued by the Warping effects of that maelstrom of insanity, there is still evidence of mutation in the gene-seed. If this was the case prior to the Heresy, it was kept concealed, but given the legion's predilection for secrecy that would not be surprising. During the Lethe Ambush, mutated Alpha Legion Space Marines hid their warped body parts, not out of shame, but so they could reveal them as they attacked - adding horror and revulsion to the shock of their sudden attack

 Wyzilla wrote:
If you've spent time in the warp, you're gonna get mutated eventually.

Although the Alpha Legionnaires themselves don't really infiltrate people. They're the puppet masters, not the foot sloggers. They use mindscrubbed indoctrinated sleeper agents for that stuff.

And they don't reside in the Warp.

OP, Alpha Legionnaires are all over the place. There are Daemon Princes and completely unmutated Marines. They don't mutate at the rate the other Traitors (?) do.

They come with loads of greenstuff.

 ChazSexington wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
If you've spent time in the warp, you're gonna get mutated eventually.

Although the Alpha Legionnaires themselves don't really infiltrate people. They're the puppet masters, not the foot sloggers. They use mindscrubbed indoctrinated sleeper agents for that stuff.

And they don't reside in the Warp.

OP, Alpha Legionnaires are all over the place. There are Daemon Princes and completely unmutated Marines. They don't mutate at the rate the other Traitors (?) do.

Tell that to these guys.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 ChazSexington wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:
If you've spent time in the warp, you're gonna get mutated eventually.

Although the Alpha Legionnaires themselves don't really infiltrate people. They're the puppet masters, not the foot sloggers. They use mindscrubbed indoctrinated sleeper agents for that stuff.

And they don't reside in the Warp.

OP, Alpha Legionnaires are all over the place. There are Daemon Princes and completely unmutated Marines. They don't mutate at the rate the other Traitors (?) do.

Tell that to these guys.

That's the point though. Some are, some aren't. Newer fluff favours unmutated, older more mutated.

Would depend on the levels of exposure to Warp/Chaos. And how nuts they are.

They have sorcerers, they have Daemon Princes, and I assume they have Chaos Spawn. So they have exposure to the warp, which is what it takes to mutate. I see no reason they could not be modelled both ways.

The Alpha Legion probably had inherent mutation before the Heresy, as one of the earlier posts mentioned, but even then, most of them would not be mutated. Many or most of the Alpha Legionnaires are actually loyal to the Emperor, but know that if the Imperium falls, then Chaos will die out (due to the IoM being the biggest contributor to Chaos corruption). The Alpha Legion was originally convinced to help Horus by members of an anti-Chaos organization, so this would make sense. As this is the fact, then many of them would undoubtedly fall to Chaos corruption and would receive Chaotic mutations, but most would receive Chaotic mutations simply from using the Warp as a tool for 10k years, not from residing within the Warp or anything else Chaos-y.

In answer to your question: yes, it would be fluffy to have Alpha Legionnaires with tentacles and other mutations, so long as the majority of them have no visible mutations, and only a minority of them has mutations.

 dusara217 wrote:
The Alpha Legion probably had inherent mutation before the Heresy, as one of the earlier posts mentioned, but even then, most of them would not be mutated. Many or most of the Alpha Legionnaires are actually loyal to the Emperor, but know that if the Imperium falls, then Chaos will die out (due to the IoM being the biggest contributor to Chaos corruption). The Alpha Legion was originally convinced to help Horus by members of an anti-Chaos organization, so this would make sense. As this is the fact, then many of them would undoubtedly fall to Chaos corruption and would receive Chaotic mutations, but most would receive Chaotic mutations simply from using the Warp as a tool for 10k years, not from residing within the Warp or anything else Chaos-y.

In answer to your question: yes, it would be fluffy to have Alpha Legionnaires with tentacles and other mutations, so long as the majority of them have no visible mutations, and only a minority of them has mutations.

You're getting geneseed mutation and Warp mutation mixed up. Alpha Legion had the purest geneseed at the time of the Heresy, so the fewest mutations, but there may have been flaws already present, and certainly Warp-based mutations picked up after.

 ChazSexington wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:
The Alpha Legion probably had inherent mutation before the Heresy, as one of the earlier posts mentioned, but even then, most of them would not be mutated. Many or most of the Alpha Legionnaires are actually loyal to the Emperor, but know that if the Imperium falls, then Chaos will die out (due to the IoM being the biggest contributor to Chaos corruption). The Alpha Legion was originally convinced to help Horus by members of an anti-Chaos organization, so this would make sense. As this is the fact, then many of them would undoubtedly fall to Chaos corruption and would receive Chaotic mutations, but most would receive Chaotic mutations simply from using the Warp as a tool for 10k years, not from residing within the Warp or anything else Chaos-y.

In answer to your question: yes, it would be fluffy to have Alpha Legionnaires with tentacles and other mutations, so long as the majority of them have no visible mutations, and only a minority of them has mutations.

You're getting geneseed mutation and Warp mutation mixed up. Alpha Legion had the purest geneseed at the time of the Heresy, so the fewest mutations, but there may have been flaws already present, and certainly Warp-based mutations picked up after.

We don't really know that. The Alpha Legion may have already convinced some that they had the purest geneseed, but it is a widely known fact that the Ultramarines have the purest geneseed. Even if the Alpha Legion did have the purest geneseed, the fact of the matter is that there is no way to know for sure, since they are inherently duplicitous and it is almost impossible to tell if they actually did have pure geneseed or just modified the histories for some reason that only they could know.

Ultramarines had the purest gene-seed out of the remaining loyalists. Technically the III Legion was supposed to have the purest overall.

 TranSpyre wrote:
Ultramarines had the purest gene-seed out of the remaining loyalists. Technically the III Legion was supposed to have the purest overall.

The Dark Angels are just as pure as the Ultramarines. In fact I can't even remember any Dark Angel successor with corrupted gene seed, while the Ultramarines have had mutations.

 dusara217 wrote:

 ChazSexington wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:
The Alpha Legion probably had inherent mutation before the Heresy, as one of the earlier posts mentioned, but even then, most of them would not be mutated. Many or most of the Alpha Legionnaires are actually loyal to the Emperor, but know that if the Imperium falls, then Chaos will die out (due to the IoM being the biggest contributor to Chaos corruption). The Alpha Legion was originally convinced to help Horus by members of an anti-Chaos organization, so this would make sense. As this is the fact, then many of them would undoubtedly fall to Chaos corruption and would receive Chaotic mutations, but most would receive Chaotic mutations simply from using the Warp as a tool for 10k years, not from residing within the Warp or anything else Chaos-y.

In answer to your question: yes, it would be fluffy to have Alpha Legionnaires with tentacles and other mutations, so long as the majority of them have no visible mutations, and only a minority of them has mutations.

You're getting geneseed mutation and Warp mutation mixed up. Alpha Legion had the purest geneseed at the time of the Heresy, so the fewest mutations, but there may have been flaws already present, and certainly Warp-based mutations picked up after.

We don't really know that. The Alpha Legion may have already convinced some that they had the purest geneseed, but it is a widely known fact that the Ultramarines have the purest geneseed. Even if the Alpha Legion did have the purest geneseed, the fact of the matter is that there is no way to know for sure, since they are inherently duplicitous and it is almost impossible to tell if they actually did have pure geneseed or just modified the histories for some reason that only they could know.

No, it's mentioned by the Cabal when talking to John Grammaticus. Purity =/= stable. The others legions' geneseed had mutated due to speed at which new geneseed was being made to keep them up to strength during the Great Crusade. Obviously, in 40k this is no longer the case, but it was during the Heresy.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 TranSpyre wrote:
Ultramarines had the purest gene-seed out of the remaining loyalists. Technically the III Legion was supposed to have the purest overall.

The Dark Angels are just as pure as the Ultramarines. In fact I can't even remember any Dark Angel successor with corrupted gene seed, while the Ultramarines have had mutations.

In fact, they were the first Legion contacted by the Cabal. Their geneseed was also found wanting, for the aforementioned reason. Also, there are loads fewer Dark Angel successors.

 ChazSexington wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:

 ChazSexington wrote:

 dusara217 wrote:
The Alpha Legion probably had inherent mutation before the Heresy, as one of the earlier posts mentioned, but even then, most of them would not be mutated. Many or most of the Alpha Legionnaires are actually loyal to the Emperor, but know that if the Imperium falls, then Chaos will die out (due to the IoM being the biggest contributor to Chaos corruption). The Alpha Legion was originally convinced to help Horus by members of an anti-Chaos organization, so this would make sense. As this is the fact, then many of them would undoubtedly fall to Chaos corruption and would receive Chaotic mutations, but most would receive Chaotic mutations simply from using the Warp as a tool for 10k years, not from residing within the Warp or anything else Chaos-y.

In answer to your question: yes, it would be fluffy to have Alpha Legionnaires with tentacles and other mutations, so long as the majority of them have no visible mutations, and only a minority of them has mutations.

You're getting geneseed mutation and Warp mutation mixed up. Alpha Legion had the purest geneseed at the time of the Heresy, so the fewest mutations, but there may have been flaws already present, and certainly Warp-based mutations picked up after.

We don't really know that. The Alpha Legion may have already convinced some that they had the purest geneseed, but it is a widely known fact that the Ultramarines have the purest geneseed. Even if the Alpha Legion did have the purest geneseed, the fact of the matter is that there is no way to know for sure, since they are inherently duplicitous and it is almost impossible to tell if they actually did have pure geneseed or just modified the histories for some reason that only they could know.

No, it's mentioned by the Cabal when talking to John Grammaticus. Purity =/= stable. The others legions' geneseed had mutated due to speed at which new geneseed was being made to keep them up to strength during the Great Crusade. Obviously, in 40k this is no longer the case, but it was during the Heresy.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 TranSpyre wrote:
Ultramarines had the purest gene-seed out of the remaining loyalists. Technically the III Legion was supposed to have the purest overall.

The Dark Angels are just as pure as the Ultramarines. In fact I can't even remember any Dark Angel successor with corrupted gene seed, while the Ultramarines have had mutations.

In fact, they were the first Legion contacted by the Cabal. Their geneseed was also found wanting, for the aforementioned reason. Also, there are loads fewer Dark Angel successors.

The DA are actually served by former cabal members; they weren't found wanting, they were just the victims of circumstance.

Except the Dark Angels are stated to have gene seed that is just as pure as the Ultramarines in the RPG's.

Rather, that statement means that the person speaking was a moron, because genetic material doesn't get "weak", it mutates. Exacerbated use of it shouldn't stress the material at all, just mean less indoctrination for the recruits.

Especially given that gene-seed is stupidly easy to obtain for a Chapter and as Vet Sarge calced, they should have a freakishly large supply of.

some do, some don't. some operate from the eye, some don't. some are pretend loyalists, some aren't. this is the alpha legion.

 dusara217 wrote:

The DA are actually served by former cabal members; they weren't found wanting, they were just the victims of circumstance.