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Coven formations:

Grotesquerie
3 grotesques - raider w/ aethersails, night shields
3 grotesques - raider w/ aethersails, night shields
Homunculus - syndriq's sump, agoniser, flesh gauntlet

Dark artisan
Talos - ichor injector, TL heat lance
Cronos - spirit probe
Homunculus - nightmare doll, agoniser, flesh gauntlet

DE combined arms detachment:

HQ
Archon - shadow field, power sword

Elite
4 incubi - venom

Troops
5 warriors w/ blaser - venom
5 warriors w/ blaser - venom

Fast attack
5 scourges - 4 w/ haywire blasters

Yes, you should just take the Dark Artisan formation, and buff out your Haemonoculus, do not give them Scissorhands unless you have to as it's kind of worthless when they get Fleshgauntlets.

Also you are missing a HQ.

Haemonoculus w/ Talso and Cronos 1 HQ

Haemonoculus w/ Grotesquerie 1 HQ

Where are you getting the other HQ for the normal stuff from the Dark Eldar.

Also please stop taking scissorhands on everything I dunno why you are.

Are you using Formations or detachments? The list seems very confused it is written as a DE CAD but you are talking about grotesqueries and other formations so I don't know what you're using.

I would drop the Kabalites, Wracks and Scourges. I would build the list out of Grotesqueries and Dark Artisans then go from there. Grotesqueries work well from Raiders, Dark Artisans should be delivered by Webway.

Ahh, didn't realize I had to take another HQ to bring the regular DE stuff. Yes, I'm bringing the dark artisan and grotequirie as well as the DS wrack formation. However, if I can't use the webway to DS the grotequirie in next to the Dark Artisan I'm not sure if it'll be worth the points.

Sorry for the confusion guys, very new to DE

Taking the Grotesquery doesn't stop you from taking upgrades on the Haemonculus or from attaching other IC's to the unit. Give the Haemonculi leading one unit a Webway Portal, and attach a Succubus w/ Webwayportal and Archite Glaive to the other. Personally though, i wouldn't deepstrike the Grots. Give them a Raider with Nightshields and just Turbo boost them into his face. If not, then your riding a MASSIVE part of your army to the cruel mercy of the turn 2 reserve role.

Drop the Liquifiers on the Grots, if your close enough to Liquifier, you close enough to charge. And you don't want to flame yourself out of charge range, or kill to many to give up Rampage. Drop Scissorhands from Acothysts, they already have Poison 4+, rending is not worth the extra points. Swap Liquifiers for the AP 2 Fleshbane thing, it works much better for getting first blood. If your deepstrike if off the Flamer won't hit squat, but the AP 2 thing has a good chance of plinking off those last wounds you need to get the kill.

To get the points for all this, just drop a Warrior Squad for the Succubus, drop Scissorhands and Liquifiers for the Raider. Oh, and drop the Heat Lance. Just...trust me on that one.


Good luck

Organise your stuff into its detachments it makes it easier to read and much easier for you to keep track of stuff like mandatory HQs for a CAD or RSR (which are you using?)

A model to actually add Scissor hands to would be the Abberation, that way you don't get charged by a AV Walker and just sit there plinking away.

They're ST5 possibly 6 w/ rending on 6s.

It's not much but it's at least something.


Agree with Dropping the Liquifiers and scissorhands.

Buff the absolute gak out of your Haemonoculus Warlord w/ Dark Artisan formation, because if you do not he will die.

Give him the Nightmare doll, tank away High ST shooting attacks with his majority T 7 and 3 + FNP. Give him Flesh Gauntlet.

He really only needs Fleshgauntlet, Nightmare Doll, Sydriqs or go crazy and give him the Perverted Panacea as well so he'll have 3+ FNP, 4+ IWND.

Now he has 3+ FNP, Rampage

I vote keep the heat lance on the Dark Artisan formations Talos.

Are wracks worth taking at all? They don't look like they do particularly well in CC.

Nope Wracks are pointless now. They are just points you should have spent on Grotesques instead. The Grotesquerie is the primary building block of a Coven army. No point ever using the Detachment. Then support that with Dark Artisans. Perhaps looking at a DE CAD or RSR for extra ranged AT/AA.

Well that stinks seeing as I won a box of Wracks at a local tourney and now have to purpose for them. Such cool models!


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Okay, original list updated. Any better?

I would take Aberrations with scissorhands in the Grots. Just helps against 2+ saves or if you get stuck in CC against a walker.

Dark Artisan needs a WWP or it is too slow to achieve anything. It is a shock and awe unit that you plonk in front of the enemy and ask him to deal with it.

Archon is a poor HQ choice, the Court is generally the go to as a 10 point HQ tax.

Incubi are ace but always want the Klaivex, for 10 points not only are you getting +1 attack, Ws, Bs & I but also rampage for another d3 extra attacks so potentially 7 attacks from that 1 guy on the charge! Though in this list you have plenty of CC punch in the Grots and Artisan so I think you'd be better off just getting more Scourges instead. Haywire being the go to as you lack ranged AT in the Coven part of the army.

Wracks are really good when you are taking the formations that they come with specifically the Epicureans and the Scalpel Squadron.The Scalpel Squadron especially shines in the unt as a way to go 2nd with nothing on the board and be able to deep strike turn 1.It's an excellent unit with being able to take 1 Ossefactor in each unit. You should gain first blood and it's actually possible to gain more than D3 VPs on the very first turn to pull ahead in VPs for a easy victory.Don't buy the hype about Wracks not being good. If you specifically take them in formatiosn they are a actually very good.

Incubi and Lhaemens go very well with Haemonoculus from the Dark Eldar Coven list. A Dark Eldar Coven Haemy can gain Rampage itself bumps the incubi up a turn, and they gain fearless. All for a very low price. Very very good.

As has been stated if you go the Dark Artisan route make sure you buff your warlord w/ multiple things so as he won't die. When shooting at the unit he's got a 3+ , 3+ with FNP and basically T7.


I'm not a fan of the Archon, just take another Haemonoculus give him the Armour of Misery and a Flesh Gauntlet. Now the unit of Grots gives -3 to LD checks , -4 if the Dark Artisan is within 12. Find some points to put a Chain Snare on the grot Raiders so you can Tank Shot for -3.

Hi, currently getting back into 40K and with Dark Eldar. So forgive me if this is obvious, but how does the Haemonculus gain the 3+ Feel No Pain? He starts with a base 5+ and the doll gives him +1, bringing that to 4+?

Edit: Nevermind, just realised the Spirit Probe on the Cronus gives him the 4+ and then the doll makes it 3+.