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Hi Guys need help with my list haven't written one in a while (6months) so any CC is welcome.

my opponent is running Salamanders/Iron Hands i think so any tips against them would be appreciated

Company Master
Iron Halo, Mace of Redemption, Artificer Armour, Storm Bolter
Librarian
Level 2, Terminator Armour Force Staff, Storm Bolter
Deathwing Terminator Squad
AC, 5x Deathwing Terminators 2x TH&SS
Deathwing Terminator Squad
AC, 5x Deathwing Terminators 2x TH&SS
Dreadnought
Plasma Cannon, Power Fist with Storm Bolter, Smoke Launchers and Searchlight
Tactical Squad
Bolt Pistol, Boltgun, Frag and Krak Grenades, Meltagun,
PC, 9x Tactical Marine Sergeant with Power sword and Bolt pistol
Tactical Squad
Bolt Pistol, Boltgun, Frag and Krak Grenades, Meltagun,
PC, 9x Tactical Marine Sergeant with Power sword and Bolt pistol

Ravenwing Black Knights
6x Black Knights, Bolt Pistol, Corvus Hammer, Frag and Krak Grenades, 5x Plasma Talon, 1x Ravenwing Grenade Launcher, Teleport Homer, Corvus Hammer



Ok so general idea is boost bikes up turn one then drop down the Termies. While the Tac squads go for objective’s and provide some fire support.

Don’t really know what to do with the dread only really there to fill points so yeah any suggestions on the list any faults you guys can see ?

Hello my friend, i see that your making a casual/competitive bordering list here. You have a good principle but you need to think out every option, for example: last weekend I played a Space Wolves player in a competitive game, he was playing a full drop pod list with wolf guard and stern guard. The first turn i lost 3/4 of my army to his combi-meltas and grav guns, simply because i hadn't turbo-boosted to get the extra cover saves (mixed with the dark shroud and skilled rider abilities). So, if your relying on the bikes to turbo-boost up and then deep strike your termies...don't. Tip 1, always put terminators in a land raider crusader/redeemer for any TH/SS combinations you have them loaded out with, simply because you can then assault from the land raider (and not get shot to pieces because you cant assault the turn you deep strike anyway). Secondly, never rely on your bikes (always have a reserve count-attack in case you are massacred the fist turn). Such as my 3 squads of veterans in drop pods, that can either counter attack a deep striking enemy or attack the enemy lines already on the bored if i get first turn. If you want to see an example of this, please follow this link to my own personal tournament list, it is constantly under constructive criticism and changing all the time: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/625268.page

Hi thanks for the reply and yeah that's spot on its only a casual list with a mate i haven't played in a year.

downside is i don't own any drop pod's for anything like that the other option is i run a DW list with belial and some tac squads.

what would you suggest to make it more competitive from the list below?

i've got:
1 Azazel
1 Ezekiel
1 Belial
1 chapter master
2 Libs ( 1 termie, 1 normal)
3 chaplins (1 termie, 1 Jump pack, 1 normal )
1 DW command squad
40 termies ( 1 PC, 2 CML, 2 AC, 10 TH&SS)
55 marines ( 3 PC, 1 HB, 2 MM, 1 LC, 4 ML, 2 PG ,2 MG, 5 Power weapons, other stuff i cant remember)
10 vets ( 3 Power weapons, 1 MG , 1 PG, a heavy weapon i can't remember atm )
1 company command squad
11 Assault Marines 1 with power fist
9 bikes
1 attack bike
4 dreads ( 1 standard, 1 ven, 2 ironclad)
1 pred annihilator
1 land raider crusader
1 land raider
2 rhinos
2 razors

Convert lr into lr crusader. Get 3rd lr, crusader. Have so many hurricane bolters. Get lib with pfg. Get someone to hold Standard of Devastation to give all bolters salvo 2/4. You now have 72 shots from 3 lr.

Have you run such a list before ?

i guess i could do that seem to be a pretty easy conversion.

DeathwingSeargent wrote:
simply because i hadn't turbo-boosted to get the extra cover saves

DWS, in 7th turbo-boosting doesn't increase your Jink cover save.

Why don't you use your DW? Seems like you've got a lot. You can use your bikes' teleport homers, so they'll easily provide support. Also, they'll be counted as troops as well. Hope that helps.