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The rape accusation doesn't really have any evidence to back it up in any way though. People disbelieved other issues with far more evidence to back it up but for some reason they just go with this.
Ahtman wrote: The rape accusation doesn't really have any evidence to back it up in any way though. People disbelieved other issues with far more evidence to back it up but for some reason they just go with this.
sure, it has to be verified in a court of law, that may find insufficient evidence to prosecute.
Doesnt change that blaming the victim is an acceptable (socially, not morally) response in the case and that the required burden of proof that mr labeouf must present is far higher then the burden of proof put on, say people like sarkeesian.
not to mention, people like piers morgan are directly accusing lebeouf of using this as a PR stunt, again, something that might well be true, but something that wouldnt be tolerated, even if it could be true, if such claims were made against sarkesian or her contemporaries.
I quite like Shia LaBeouf. I actually think he's a pretty good actor and I could see him enjoying a 'McConnaissance'-style redemption at some point. His performance was the only thin I liked about 'Fury'.
This leads me to believe that you A) didn't read the article and B) don't know what "victim blaming" is.
Albatross wrote: I quite like Shia LaBeouf. I actually think he's a pretty good actor and I could see him enjoying a 'McConnaissance'-style redemption at some point. His performance was the only thin I liked about 'Fury'.
Oh he can act, to be sure, but apparently is also a fairly awful human (at this point).
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
This leads me to believe that you A) didn't read the article and B) don't know what "victim blaming" is.
read the article yourself... did you miss the part where they literally state to the effect "he had a sign up saying do whatever you want to him, its his fault"
sure sounds like you missed that part.
they even linked to morgans direct statement "Shia LaBeouf invited people to do they want to him, then let a woman 'rape' him without doing or saying a word? Utterly ridiculous."
so, yes, literal blaming of the victim ie he should have fought back harder
compounded by the fact that "Nowhere did we state that people could do whatever they wanted to Shia during #IAMSORRY.
— Nastja Säde Rönkkö (@NastjaRonkko) November 30, 2014"
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You have to read all of an article, not just hit a part that sounds like it agrees with your misguided viewpoint then stop.
Adding to all the confusion is the fact that these reports seem to contradict each other. LaBeouf’s fellow artists say they didn’t know what was happening, yet they also say they put a stop to it. They say they ”ensured” LaBeouf’s alleged attacker left, yet they also say she was gone before they had a chance to stop her. And of course, no one among those “hundreds of people” who saw her exit with “smudged lipstick” in front of her waiting boyfriend—people who kept up a steady stream of tweets, blog posts, and the like from the exhibit—ever made mention of the incident. Nor did Shia LaBeouf—until now. There’s also the fact that Shia LaBeouf has spent the past year turning so much of his public life into performance art, all in a self-professed need for attention, which has trained onlookers to question whether his words and intentions are pure—or even whether they’re his own.
But to question any of these details, as the vitriolic response to Morgan has shown, is to enter into the always-uncomfortable arena of casting doubt on a sexual assault allegation—specifically, whether choosing not to break from his performance, to stay silent and go along with the assault in the name of his “art,” is a form of consent. To even ask that is, albeit under very unusual circumstances, to blame the victim. Timed as it is in the midst of the continued controversy surrounding Bill Cosby, LaBeouf’s story could also be seen as commentary on the way society treats rape accusations, particularly when they involve a celebrity. But, again, to even suggest there may be some other, “artistic” purpose to LaBeouf coming forward with this would be to trivialize a charge of sexual assault.
For his part, LaBeouf has yet to say anything further, leaving everyone bitterly divided in debate about how they should react. It’s a state to which we’ve by now grown quite accustomed.
Amidst the mists and coldest frosts he thrusts his fists against the posts and still insists he sees the ghosts.
This leads me to believe that you A) didn't read the article and B) don't know what "victim blaming" is.
read the article yourself... did you miss the part where they literally state to the effect "he had a sign up saying do whatever you want to him, its his fault"
sure sounds like you missed that part.
they even linked to morgans direct statement "Shia LaBeouf invited people to do they want to him, then let a woman 'rape' him without doing or saying a word? Utterly ridiculous."
so, yes, literal blaming of the victim ie he should have fought back harder
compounded by the fact that "Nowhere did we state that people could do whatever they wanted to Shia during #IAMSORRY.
— Nastja Säde Rönkkö (@NastjaRonkko) November 30, 2014"
I don't believe that Ahtman is saying that Shia is to blame for being raped.
He is questioning whether he was raped in the first place....and not in the academic sense of whether consent was clearly given or whether he struggled to to prevent the rape, but whether any of the events actually happened or were fabricated whole-cloth.
I could be wrong though. I am ready to be corrected.
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Hanskrampf wrote: Watched the video, read your comments... I have no idea what your taking about or what this video is supposed to mean.
Right there with ya, I was just trying to share an amusing musical act about an eccentric celebrity with my bros on dakka, not start a discourse on rape.
CoALabaer wrote: Wargamers hate two things: the state of the game and change.
no one was asking sarkeesian to prove threats against her were not fabricated/hoaxes or made up, by default, she was beleived. Anyone who asked for proof was shut down as mysogenistic rape apologists,
the text you link even states "To even ask that is, albeit under very unusual circumstances, to blame the victim."
very clear there what is happening. that the article admits its not 100% known if lebeouf was raped has no bearing on the fact that people are blaming him for it regardless.
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no one was asking sarkeesian to prove threats against her were not fabricated/hoaxes or made up, by default, she was beleived. Anyone who asked for proof was shut down as mysogenistic rape apologists,
the text you link even states "To even ask that is, albeit under very unusual circumstances, to blame the victim."
very clear there what is happening. that the article admits its not 100% known if lebeouf was raped has no bearing on the fact that people are blaming him for it regardless.
That's not what I get from the article.
I am getting that to ask for details or verification or evidence means that one is accused of blaming him, not that one is actually blaming him.
I'll go read the artiicle one more time though.
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