Single Models & Multiple Enemy Units

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**CleverAntics**

If, say, an Imperial Knight has 2-3 units on it (or any single models units) can he split attacks?

Thanks!

**Bojazz**

Page 55, under "Directing attacks" (regarding multiple combats) second bullet:
- A model that is in base contact, or engaged with, more than one enemy unit when it strikes blows, can split its Attacks freely between those units.

**CleverAntics**

Excellent, thanks.

On a same note, can a single unit (IC, MC, etc) charge two units at once if they're close enough to make it into base contact with either?

**DeathReaper**

CleverAntics wrote:
Excellent, thanks.

On a same note, can a single unit (IC, MC, etc) charge two units at once if they're close enough to make it into base contact with either?

Single model or single unit?

**Quickjager**

EDIT: should have read the question more closely.

**Fragile**

CleverAntics wrote:
Excellent, thanks.

On a same note, can a single unit (IC, MC, etc) charge two units at once if they're close enough to make it into base contact with either?

A unit consisting of a single model cannot charge more than one unit at a time. For example a MC can only charge a single unit even if another is close enough to base both.

**SGTPozy**

Fragile wrote:
CleverAntics wrote:
Excellent, thanks.

On a same note, can a single unit (IC, MC, etc) charge two units at once if they're close enough to make it into base contact with either?

A unit consisting of a single model cannot charge more than one unit at a time. For example a MC can only charge a single unit even if another is close enough to base both.

Where does it say that in the rulebook?

**CrownAxe**

SGTPozy wrote:
Where does it say that in the rulebook?

It doesn't need to. The order of operations for executing a multicharge prevents single models from doing so because you have to move your first model into the primary charge target and only after that you are allowed to move the rest of your unit into secondary units. Since single model units only have a single model they don't have anything to move into other units.

**koooaei**

But that doesn't prevent them from calling multicharge and ending the move in base contact with models from both squads.

**CrownAxe**

koooaei wrote:
But that doesn't prevent them from calling multicharge and ending the move in base contact with models from both squads.

you are required to go the shortest distance possible into the primary charge target with the first model. You aren't given permission to touch other units until you move the rest of the models in your unit.

**koooaei**

Actually, iirc there's nothing preventing you from going b2b with a secondary target squad. At least it was in the 6-th. That's how eldar player charged my boyz + grots.

Spoiler:

**CrownAxe**

koooaei wrote:
Actually, iirc there's nothing preventing you from going b2b with a secondary target squad

Spoiler:

There is nothing preventing you from simply declaring yourself the winner either.

You need permission to charge into into other units. the rulebook only gives that permission to the models that move after the first models charges.

**morgoth**

Move Initial Charger

Once Overwatch is resolved, find the initial charger for the primary assault (the model in the charging unit closest to the primary target) and attempt to move it into base contact with the primary target, just as you would against a single target. If his charge fails, the charging unit doesn’t move at all.

If the initial charger successfully moves into base contact with the primary target, remaining models can charge models belonging to either the primary or secondary target units, as long as they follow the rules for moving charging models. That said, a charging model is not permitted to move into base contact with a model in a secondary target, unless it cannot move into base contact with an unengaged model in the primary target.

Remaining models can charge models belonging to ....

Once a model has charged and moved into base contact with the primary target, it's not allowed to move any further.

So how would it end up in base contact with a unit he had to stay 1" clear off ?

**techsoldaten**

CrownAxe wrote:

There is nothing preventing you from simply declaring yourself the winner either.

And your point is?

CrownAxe wrote:

You need permission to charge into into other units. the rulebook only gives that permission to the models that move after the first models charges.

This is the correct interpretation. Squads consisting of multiple models can multicharge, but a single model needs to come into base contact with a target squad first. It's not possible for it to reach other units after charging.

**Ghaz**

His point is that saying something doesn't make it true.

**nosferatu1001**

koooaei wrote:
Actually, iirc there's nothing preventing you from going b2b with a secondary target squad. At least it was in the 6-th. That's how eldar player charged my boyz + grots.

Spoiler:

It was not true in 6th either. Or 5th. Or 4th*

ONLY second and following models are able to charge secondary targets. THat is explicitly stated in the rulebook.

*when multi charging had a whole host of other problems anyway

**Bojazz**

Why has no one simply looked at the rulebook for the answer?

From page 55 under move initial charger for multiple assaults, in bold:
"A charging model is not permitted to move into base contact with a model in a secondary target, unless it cannot move into base contact with an unengaged model in the primary target"

**morgoth**

Bojazz wrote:
Why has no one simply looked at the rulebook for the answer?

From page 55 under move initial charger for multiple assaults, in bold:
"A charging model is not permitted to move into base contact with a model in a secondary target, unless it cannot move into base contact with an unengaged model in the primary target"

Why haven't you looked at the more relevant part from the rulebook that I quoted four posts ago and instead quoted another less relevant rule ?

**Bojazz**

Another, less relevant rule? we quoted the exact same rule :/ I just focused on the part I felt was more relevant, as it specifically addresses going into base contact with the secondary target, which is what this entire thread is about. I felt this was more clear than "initial charger is not a remaining model, and can't move twice"

You also provided some misinformation. The initial charger does not need to stay 1" clear of other enemy units, he is just not allowed to enter base contact with them unless they are the unit being charged. p46 under moving charging models: "with the exception that they can be moved within 1" of enemy models".

**koooaei**

Oh, so can go closer than 1' but can't get into b2b. Got it.

Automatically Appended Next Post:
Might help if you can't fit within 1' away.

**peirceg**

what happens if they are both primary and secondary are equidistant?

**Bojazz**

The distance to the secondary target is irrelevant in determining which of the targets a model charges. The initial charger must charge the primary target and is disallowed from entering base contact with the secondary target. The remaining models can freely choose which target they charge, so long as they follow the normal rules for charging (so if there's an enemy model within reach that isn't currently in base to base, you have to charge that target).

Essentially, single model units cannot multiple assault.

**insaniak**

Bojazz wrote:
The remaining models can freely choose which target they charge, ....

No, they can't.

The Rulebook wrote:That said, a charging model is not permitted to move into base contact with a model in a secondary target, unless it cannot move into base contact with an unengaged model in the primary target.

**Bojazz**

Bah, I THOUGHT I read that somewhere, but I glanced through and didn't see it the second time. Thanks for the correction!