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Been collecting fantasy for a while now with a VC and WoC army almost complete. I would like to start gaming now though and would like to see what its like with my WoC since I hear they are a good starter army.
Looking for a 2000 point list and will start with what I have.

Heroes
Tzeentch Soceror (lvl 2)
Third eye of Tzeentch = 170

Exalted hero of Khorne (BSB)
Shield
Banner of rage
acid ichor
soul feeder =193

Core
12x Chaos warriors
MoK, additional hand weapons, full command = 246

20x Marauders
Shields, full command, light armour, MoT = 230

Chariot
MoK = 120

Specials
4x Chaos Ogres
Mok, mutant, great weapons = 170

Rare
3x skullcrushers
skullhunter, ensorcelled weapons = 244



The exalted hero and skullcrushers I have yet to buy but I am definately getting them. I need some help on what to do for a lord and to fill the points out. Right now it stands at 1373 which leaves 627 for whatever else. I am a complete noob to the actual game and have no idea what is good for what but I was thinking of getting another lot of skullcrushers to make 5 and the remainder for a:

Khorne Lord on Juggernaut
Hellfire sword, shield, soul feeder, acid ichor, collar of khorne= 395

That would fill the points nearly to 2000 but would it be wise? I am not bothered about winning, I love the idea of something brutal that will smash the out of stuff and really is the only way to get a juggernaut lord rather than paying for the one finecast minature. Do I need more magic, anything wrong with the core? What say you fantasy vets to another noob.

Your heros need ward saves and don't take marauders... maybe more chariots instead.

BAN wrote:
Your heros need ward saves and don't take marauders... maybe more chariots instead.

Marauders aren't actually bad. They haven't changed statwise. Just the cost. And it's not like they were reasonably costed before.

Yes. Chariots are better, but for a starter, marauders/warriors are better as chariots require a lot of finesse play.

No need to take a lord on juggernaut- he has 3 wounds anyway. Take a hero- less points and he'll benefit from the extra wound from the jugger.

With a low level caster, I think you're better of with death or fire. With Tzeentch blue fire is too chancy. You want a high level to guarentee you get the good stuff: Gateway, Bolt, Pink Fire.

 Warptide wrote:
No need to take a lord on juggernaut- he has 3 wounds anyway. Take a hero- less points and he'll benefit from the extra wound from the jugger.

With a low level caster, I think you're better of with death or fire. With Tzeentch blue fire is too chancy. You want a high level to guarentee you get the good stuff: Gateway, Bolt, Pink Fire.

End times gets you pseudo-loremastery anyway.

Also musician over skullhunter and mutant is better.

Your own heros require ward saves and do not consider marauders.

Sweet thanks a lot everyone, really helpful, so drop the tzeentch on sorceror, get ward saves for the heroes, take musicians instead of champions, swap marauders for more warriors?

What do you guys think about the skullcrushers, getting another box to make the hero/lord on jug running with 5 crushers?

I think 3-4 is a solid unit. You want them getting max attacks with a wide frontage.

Ta very much.

 unmercifulconker wrote:
Sweet thanks a lot everyone, really helpful, so drop the tzeentch on sorceror, get ward saves for the heroes, take musicians instead of champions, swap marauders for more warriors?

+1 to all of these, especially the musician bit. My guidelines for command options are: take musicians whenever possible; take standards if the unit is big enough / tough enough to hold onto it in combat; take champs when a character could be joining the unit, or you have 10 points spare.*

*For WoC: avoid champs unless a character will be joining the unit or you're running a warshrine, due to the auto-challenge rule causing problems for the rest of the unit

On your original list, I'd say what you really need are more warriors + more halberds on your warriors + more musicians everywhere + more wards on characters. The marauder bunker unit is ok for keeping your sorcerer out of trouble, it's not a total lost cause. I would however contemplate upping your sorcerer to a L3-4 sorcerer lord, because more spells are more better. At that point MoT is a decent choice still as you have a better chance of getting Gateway.

A couple packs of 5 warhounds wouldn't hurt either, get you learning the chaff game early

- Salvage

Another factor is if you are playing End times magic or not. If you have end times magic in play then all casters have all spells in the lore(s) they know.

Cheers Savage! No champions for me then. I do have some warhounds so I could probably squeeze them in. They are to be used as cannon fodder right?

Ordered more warriors and the skullcrushers and lord. Not sure if I will be able to make the sorceror a lord, hopefully when I begin to expand further. So halberds are best for Khorne? I will have to scrounge my bits for big spears.

Aye Viking I would prefer to use all end times rules but I suppose it depends on what me and my opponent agree on. Does the rule make chaos familiars worthless since you will know all spells?

Thanks again guys.