Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

This is more of a background question; assuming that the elves stay united after EoT is zone, what color scheme would you use for them? It might make sense for the elves to revert to old heraldry, so I was considering a dark metallic grey armor on top of dark blue/purple robes, as seen on this cover:



To be honest though I'm not familiar with the sundering lore, so I have no idea how the elven armies looked like when they were a single nation. It you are going to pick a new zone at all, what color scheme are you going to adopt to reflect this change?

There is no way they could possibly stay united after EoT is over.
Fights within the elven race are about 40% (maybe more?) of their background material. It can't be just taken away.

I don't see why not, now Malekith has united them. They might stay together. That background hasn't been taken away, it's just moved past that.

Honestly they're fine unified.Remember the United states history was what? Some 50ish years of butting heads with the UK and now we're all buddy buddy.

I get that people don't like the change because it's change & it doesn't fit their view of warhammer but it's good for the game. Reducing the number of army books is good for it despite what people claim. 15 books take too long to update and it makes keeping them current & balanced next to impossible,condensing down to 9 would go a long way to helping.

As for a unified scheme you can go with anything just paint them consistently.

Also, it even states that they aren't going to split anymore



So I would get comfy having those spiky dominatrix witches sitting next to your pious Phoenix guard while making crazy eyes at each other because those crazy kids are gonna find a way to make that work, no matter what their parents (who, let's face it, are probably dead now anyways) say.

Make up your own fun scheme! Use the idea of there being a new unification as the reasoning. Breaking with everything old and making something new, or something like that.

I admit, I just like seeing different and unusual colors in armies.

Slaanesh loves his pink Elves!

 Lone Tower wrote:
There is no way they could possibly stay united after EoT is over.
Fights within the elven race are about 40% (maybe more?) of their background material. It can't be just taken away.

It can if GW has openly said one of the biggest problems with WHFB is that it's a cumbersome beast to keep updated in a reasonable time frame of releases. They have alluded to combining several books into larger overarching armies a few times. I'd expect to see Undead, Chaos, Elves, Humans , Skaven stay their own thing. The rest of the non-humans are a bit of a question mark. Army Book: Rest !

I think unification is going to be more of a thing going forward. Particularly for the elves. I am not sure how you just say "I's JUST FOOLIN Y'ALL!" with this fluff shake up.



Back on topic....

I have a marcharius solar orange and electric blue theme for my high elves. I plan on working in subtle purple into that for the Dark elves, and a cool brown tone for the wood elves (the blue will only be on accents on the woodies, hopefully giving an autumn-ish look), so that the overarching unifying color is the solar orange, but each distinct third of the elves has a slight distinguishing palette to in the army as well.

So.... should I hold off on buying anything for high elves for a while? If everything is getting rolled into one book should I just wait for the new army books to come out?


Also My friend wants to start a DE army to offset my HE army... would be kind of lame if suddenly those two armies were one in the same.

I am holding off on painting models right now. Not a problem, I still have too many skaven to paint.

Now there is nothing saying you can't field pure HE, WE or DE. nothing is making you field them unified. Even if they get a single book in the future (at least a year off imo) you could still just choose to take only HE or DE stuff.

I'm making a pure(ish) DE army using the combined rules. Coverting up a loremaster of hoeth and some other units.

HAHAHA, I cant wait for 9th to drop and all these combined armies go away. Let me present you some very GW thinking....you buy the best units out of 3 different books to play EoT. Then 9th drops and GW goes nope, no more EoT. Sooooo you are stuck with a portion of three armies all of which are unplayable. So you will have to buy more models to get at least one of them playable again. GW probably ALSO believes you wil flush out all three armies which means even MORE sales. Keep dreaming about these unified armies peeps.

 quickfuze wrote:
HAHAHA, I cant wait for 9th to drop and all these combined armies go away. Let me present you some very GW thinking....you buy the best units out of 3 different books to play EoT. Then 9th drops and GW goes nope, no more EoT. Sooooo you are stuck with a portion of three armies all of which are unplayable. So you will have to buy more models to get at least one of them playable again. GW probably ALSO believes you wil flush out all three armies which means even MORE sales. Keep dreaming about these unified armies peeps.

How very cynical. I am a bit worried this is what's gonna happen though.

 Shas'O Dorian wrote:
Now there is nothing saying you can't field pure HE, WE or DE. nothing is making you field them unified. Even if they get a single book in the future (at least a year off imo) you could still just choose to take only HE or DE stuff.

I'm making a pure(ish) DE army using the combined rules. Coverting up a loremaster of hoeth and some other units.

This. As of right now, you can play Pure HE, Pure De, Pure WE, Host of Aesteryion, Host of the Phoenix King, or Host of the Eternity King.

Nothing is forcing you to play unified. THe army books are still 100% valid. You can still play Alarielle the Radiant in Pure HE forces, Alarielle the Avatar of Isha in Host of the Phoenix King, and Alarielle Incarnate of Life in Host of the Eternity King.

You can Still field Eltharion from army book HE 100% legally even though he was killed in the fluff in End Times: Nagash. Etc., and so forth. They are all legal choices at the moment.


... come 9th though... i suggest getting comfortable with the idea of Elves Undivided.




Automatically Appended Next Post:

 quickfuze wrote:
HAHAHA, I cant wait for 9th to drop and all these combined armies go away. Let me present you some very GW thinking....you buy the best units out of 3 different books to play EoT. Then 9th drops and GW goes nope, no more EoT. Sooooo you are stuck with a portion of three armies all of which are unplayable. So you will have to buy more models to get at least one of them playable again. GW probably ALSO believes you wil flush out all three armies which means even MORE sales. Keep dreaming about these unified armies peeps.

"Hey Opponent, is it cool with you if i use the rules for Host of the Eternity King?"

"Sure, go ahead."


Voila. Problem solved.

 Haight wrote:

 Shas'O Dorian wrote:
Now there is nothing saying you can't field pure HE, WE or DE. nothing is making you field them unified. Even if they get a single book in the future (at least a year off imo) you could still just choose to take only HE or DE stuff.

I'm making a pure(ish) DE army using the combined rules. Coverting up a loremaster of hoeth and some other units.

This. As of right now, you can play Pure HE, Pure De, Pure WE, Host of Aesteryion, Host of the Phoenix King, or Host of the Eternity King.

Nothing is forcing you to play unified. THe army books are still 100% valid. You can still play Alarielle the Radiant in Pure HE forces, Alarielle the Avatar of Isha in Host of the Phoenix King, and Alarielle Incarnate of Life in Host of the Eternity King.

You can Still field Eltharion from army book HE 100% legally even though he was killed in the fluff in End Times: Nagash. Etc., and so forth. They are all legal choices at the moment.


... come 9th though... i suggest getting comfortable with the idea of Elves Undivided.

Also you could use the Host of the Eternity King list and just take units from one of the Elves books. So you're et the bonuses from that list but it's still pure HE/DE/WE.

Even if in 9th they're one unified book I could just still ake an army of only "Dark" options.

I think it could be cool to perhaps tone them all down a bit. From what I've read (admittedly not a load) the End Times/Sundering II has been something of a wakeup call for the Elves; the world is changing, they are no longer able to hide and those that are left are going to have to fight long, hard and well to survive in the new world. So I think it'd be cool to see some more utilitarian Elves, with steels rather than silvers and browns in place of white/red. Gritty, grim elves that are going to rage against the dying of the light until they can rage no more.

Might be talking nonsense as I haven't read all the ET stuff, but it would be a very cool/unique army to see.

I get that people don't like the change because it's change & it doesn't fit their view of warhammer

Oh, but I like it, and it fits perfectly in my view of warhammer.
Still, I don't consider it possible, as most of the dark elves coolness seems to be about their sadistic cliches, and whiout a "long favored enemy rised to a level of prey" that they can can dream of terrify such cliches won't be the same.

Think about this:
One book? Rendundancy choices.
Rendundancy choices? Cut of the boxes.
(even a multi-kit box would still be a cut in quality of some sort)
Cut on the boxes? That's a very long run for a cut on the lore.

It is not impossible for them to do it, but if they actually do it...

I'm not sure what you mean by cut of the boxes...

Do you mean cut down on the boxes? As in cut down on the number, reduce the number of kits. Like Remove HE spearmen because DE have a kit?

Not trying to be an ass I just want to make sure I'm comprehending correctly.

If so I can see it happening. I don't think they'll cut the lore but I could see condensing the kits. The old lore would exists they'd just be moving forward past it.

[=quickfuze 627464 7440122 2b4db9831027f8649fa367beb7c54aca.png]HAHAHA, I cant wait for 9th to drop and all these combined armies go away. Let me present you some very GW thinking....you buy the best units out of 3 different books to play EoT. Then 9th drops and GW goes nope, no more EoT. Sooooo you are stuck with a portion of three armies all of which are unplayable. So you will have to buy more models to get at least one of them playable again. GW probably ALSO believes you wil flush out all three armies which means even MORE sales. Keep dreaming about these unified armies peeps.

Also the converse: Ebay get's flooded with cheap models people can no longer use & it hurts GW overall.

Does EoT enhance the elf fluff? I'm just getting into the hobby and went with High Elves for being badasses that stand against chaos and are... well elves. Should I read it or pretend it doesn't exist?

In general i have found all the End Times fluff has enhanced the background material when you actually read the books and realise GW did not just type something up in a day on a whim like some people initially implied when just reading bullet points online, so yes, i would give it a go, especially that you mention liking them being against Chaos, as that is what the End Times is all about in general.

So as not to be completely off topic, im glad that when i painted up my small amount of both Dark Elves and High Elves that i used the same Red main colour now.

As even if GW did scrap the combined armies, which i doubt, my gaming group is a friendly casual type so we will keep using them.

Not trying to be an ass I just want to make sure I'm comprehending correctly.

Correct

If so I can see it happening. I don't think they'll cut the lore but I could see condensing the kits. The old lore would exists they'd just be moving forward past it.

Be it 40k or WHFB, the lore has been thinned before with the passing editions. It can happend depending on the circumstances, and 3 type of spearmen in 1 box would be one of them.

 quickfuze wrote:
HAHAHA, I cant wait for 9th to drop and all these combined armies go away. Let me present you some very GW thinking....you buy the best units out of 3 different books to play EoT. Then 9th drops and GW goes nope, no more EoT. Sooooo you are stuck with a portion of three armies all of which are unplayable. So you will have to buy more models to get at least one of them playable again. GW probably ALSO believes you wil flush out all three armies which means even MORE sales. Keep dreaming about these unified armies peeps.

This is probably the most sensible thing anyone has said about End Times, and that's really sad.

Everyone needs to relax. Dark Elves, High Elves, and Wood Elves are all going to be playable armies in 9th Edition. In addition, the Host of the Aestyrion, Host of the Phoenix King, and Host of the Eternity King will all be legal ways to field your armies in 9th Edition.

The only thing we know about 9th Edition is that End Times is written for 9th Edition and End Times armies require distinct army books for unit references.

End Times is an expansion to Warhammer. Not a replacement for it.