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So on the question of the Gorgon being struck down:

Since re-attaching heads is possible, could they have done this with Ferrus Manus ? It seemed to work wonders with Eidolon.

Also what happened to his head and body anyway ? I know one went to Horus, but the other half ?

And since the Iron Hands believe heavily in cybernetics, is it possible he could have survived having his head separated from his body ? I remember reading about one tech priest supposedly surviving as an engram inside of his implants and cybernetics till he rebuilt himself a flesh and blood body.

Are there any Heresy books that discuss the aftermath of the duel with Fulgrim or is Ferrus confirmed dead ?

The Imperial Answer wrote:
So on the question of the Gorgon being struck down:

Since re-attaching heads is possible, could they have done this with Ferrus Manus ? It seemed to work wonders with Eidolon.

Also what happened to his head and body anyway ? I know one went to Horus, but the other half ?

And since the Iron Hands believe heavily in cybernetics, is it possible he could have survived having his head separated from his body ? I remember reading about one tech priest supposedly surviving as an engram inside of his implants and cybernetics till he rebuilt himself a flesh and blood body.

Are there any Heresy books that discuss the aftermath of the duel with Fulgrim or is Ferrus confirmed dead ?

Anything is possible in 40K. I mean, Ferrus Manus can probably "regenerate" either his head or the rest of his body if Black Library authors think it would make an interesting plot.

But Eidolon's head was reattached to his body by Fabulous Bile, given his most well-known expertise was openly frown upon at the time (I mean, Saul was kept from knowing about Eidolon's "Banshee scream" for a reason, and only kept silent because Eidolon convinced him Fulgrim approved of it), it's unlikely anyone from the loyalist side would be able to perform this kind of operations. As for Horus' side, well, unless Horus himself wanted to do this, it's pretty much impossible.

As for the cybernetics, is a cyborg with an artificial head still Ferrus Manus? Horus has Manus' head, so again, Horus alone had the ability to "revive" him through bionics. I have read Fulgrim, so I can confirm the novel showed that Ferrus Manus had his head detached, and it was gifted to Horus by Fulgrim/some daemon thing. I also recall him never having bionic implants, despite his legion's (possibly extreme) obsession with bionics. So the cybernetic consciousness bit is pretty unlikely.

And to answer your last question -- no. because if one Primarch can reform himself literally out of thin air, what stops another from re-growing his head?

He's dead Jim!

His head was chopped off, and taken.
Only one could regenerate from such massive trauma.
And too many times drove him crazy.

 jhe90 wrote:
His head was chopped off, and taken.
Only one could regenerate from such massive trauma.
And too many times drove him crazy.

An insane headless Ferrus Manus aimlessly rampaging across the Imperium? Boi would I pay to read that!

While technically possible, I think it's clear that Ferrus Manus is super dead.

And, at a recent Forgeworld seminar, the writer of the Horus Heresy books for Forgeworld said his idea for a headless mechanical zombie Ferrus was shot down.

 Tannhauser42 wrote:
And, at a recent Forgeworld seminar, the writer of the Horus Heresy books for Forgeworld said his idea for a headless mechanical zombie Ferrus was shot down.

Ohhh canis poop.

Roboute found ferrus's head and gave it to the iron hands to get there agreement for the codex astartes.

Ref: rebirth

 Formosa wrote:
Roboute found ferrus's head and gave it to the iron hands to get there agreement for the codex astartes.

Ref: rebirth

and his arms ?


The possible necron-tech involved in his silvery arms... if thats living metal and it copied his essence ( a material created to give C'tan a body...) ....

Next dex Robo-Ferrus

He's passed on! Ferrus is no more! He has ceased to be! He's expired and gone to meet his maker!

This is something I wondered about, his soul wasn't destroyed and could be floating about, we don't know if his body was recovered at any point.

We know living metal regenerates so it could be 40k possible to reattach the head, somehow coax the metal into regening it and bind his soul back into his body.

Stranger things happen in 40k

 ChazSexington wrote:
He's passed on! Ferrus is no more! He has ceased to be! He's expired and gone to meet his maker!

Woohoo! Look at you who are so wise! It's just so happens Manus is only MOSTLY dead. There is a big difference between mostly dead and all dead; mostly dead is slightly alive! But with All-dead, well, there is only one thing to do -- to replace it then (Horus).

 Generalstoner wrote:
He's dead Jim!

please report to your nearest Iron Father for reeducation.

I think survival is probably the wrong word.
He could maybe return, but he definitely died when his head got cut off.

Well I mean the only truly dead primarch is Horus

 Great White wrote:
Well I mean the only truly dead primarch is Horus

I'm sure even that can be reversed.

Ave Dominus Nox wrote:

 Great White wrote:
Well I mean the only truly dead primarch is Horus

I'm sure even that can be reversed.

They tried. It didn't work. The Emperor completely destroyed Horus' soul. You can clone his flesh, but it doesn't possess the soul and psychic might of a true Primarch, it's just a simple flesh puppet. More powerful then an Astartes certainly, but would be crushed by the real deal.

 Wyzilla wrote:

Ave Dominus Nox wrote:

 Great White wrote:
Well I mean the only truly dead primarch is Horus

I'm sure even that can be reversed.

They tried. It didn't work. The Emperor completely destroyed Horus' soul. You can clone his flesh, but it doesn't possess the soul and psychic might of a true Primarch, it's just a simple flesh puppet. More powerful then an Astartes certainly, but would be crushed by the real deal.

Yeah, Big E wanted to make sure there was no more Horus aft er that fight

 Great White wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

Ave Dominus Nox wrote:

 Great White wrote:
Well I mean the only truly dead primarch is Horus

I'm sure even that can be reversed.

They tried. It didn't work. The Emperor completely destroyed Horus' soul. You can clone his flesh, but it doesn't possess the soul and psychic might of a true Primarch, it's just a simple flesh puppet. More powerful then an Astartes certainly, but would be crushed by the real deal.

Yeah, Big E wanted to make sure there was no more Horus aft er that fight

Not really. Horus, even empowered by Chaos, never seemed to a true and actual threat to the Emperor's existence, it was more akin to taking out the trash. Horus was his most beloved son but his hand was forced to put him down for good, probably sentimental on some level. Horus wasn't willingly corrupted, or it at least didn't seem like it.

 Wyzilla wrote:

 Great White wrote:

 Wyzilla wrote:

Ave Dominus Nox wrote:

 Great White wrote:
Well I mean the only truly dead primarch is Horus

I'm sure even that can be reversed.

They tried. It didn't work. The Emperor completely destroyed Horus' soul. You can clone his flesh, but it doesn't possess the soul and psychic might of a true Primarch, it's just a simple flesh puppet. More powerful then an Astartes certainly, but would be crushed by the real deal.

Yeah, Big E wanted to make sure there was no more Horus aft er that fight

Not really. Horus, even empowered by Chaos, never seemed to a true and actual threat to the Emperor's existence, it was more akin to taking out the trash. Horus was his most beloved son but his hand was forced to put him down for good, probably sentimental on some level. Horus wasn't willingly corrupted, or it at least didn't seem like it.

Well the Emperor didn't want to kill Horus, but he also didn't want another Horus heresy. He knew that if killed the gods would just resurrect Horus, and he knew he wouldn't be there to stop him again, so he completely destroyed him to save humanity

Would be cool if the head regenerated a new body, and the body a new head,
so we could have 2 Ferruses, maybe one siding with chaos, and they could have a really epic duel somewhere

 Wazdakka! wrote:
Would be cool if the head regenerated a new body, and the body a new head,
so we could have 2 Ferruses, maybe one siding with chaos, and they could have a really epic duel somewhere

Or the two would fight Alpharius and Omegon

... if Living Metal could recreate flesh, then the Necrons wouldn't be trying to reverse the Bio-Transference. As it is, Living Metal only recreates Living Metal. Ferrus is dead as hell.

Fulgrim's bizarre description of his death implies that his death was not a mere physical one and had massive psychic ramifications, as he was the first primarch to "die."

He is more than merely dead.

 Bronzefists42 wrote:
Fulgrim's bizarre description of his death implies that his death was not a mere physical one and had massive psychic ramifications, as he was the first primarch to "die.".

He's possibly referring to the fact that Ferrus Manus' death was filled with such rage etc from Manus and was so special that it friggin' birthed a daemon out of it (The Saphire King, who's the major antagonist of the Clan Raakan codex supplement)

As an aside, not that anyones' brought it up in this thread far as I know, but the speculation that Trazyn has Ferrus is more unlikely now (if Trazyn has a primarch in the first place) . It's hinted to be Vulkan in White Dwarf (and goes along with how often he's trolling the Salamanders and fits thematically with Vulkan's "artifacts" thing)

He didn't survive *but* that doesn't mean he won't reapper

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