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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/25 15:30:04
Subject: would like to get in to 7ed buy have some ?
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Is 7ed really any good . i been ready lot on line on how broken unbound is letting people take whole units of the best things. Also people taking low in normal pick up games is what really has kept me away from getting in the new ed. also withthe new psychic phase letting demon armys just keep getting more and more units with really no way to stop it from the battle report i have watched .
So is 7ed unfriendly to very causal players playing for fun and not to get tabled all the time
seems 7ed was made for more comptivat players Automatically Appended Next Post: Also getting titans in a list for 500 pt is kind of bs thought the would. More
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/25 15:34:15
Subject: would like to get in to 7ed buy have some ?
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Is 'Eavy Metal Calling?
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Entirely the opposite. 7th ed is made for the casual player; you can now build any army you want, have explicit instruction to adjust the rules to provide a more tailored gaming experience, and there are new options on how to play added almost on a weekly basis.
Of course, if you play with the kind of players that take 'competitive' to mean 'spam the hell out of only the good stuff', then you may have some problems, as obviously, the same rule that lets you bring a fluffy all-TDA army will allow them to bring a Knight, Riptide and Revenant Titan all in one game. But at the end of the day, if you can't trust your fellow players to to make that call and play in the interests of fairness, then you will have issues, but they're the same issues you would have had in 6th and even before, just exacerpated.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/25 16:28:39
Subject: would like to get in to 7ed buy have some ?
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I have seen the opposite whole armys of wave serpents and knight riptide armys people just spaming only the best stuff in one army. Its like i need to buy so much stuff to keep up
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/25 16:31:47
Subject: Re:would like to get in to 7ed buy have some ?
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I wouldn't necessarily say 7th is for the casual player; casual comes in all shapes and sizes and 7th does not fit well with many types of gamers.
What 7th is for is established game groups of fairly close friends. A group that has a fairly even and developed meta/power level where gentlemen agreements are the rule and not the exception.
Unfortunately, many people enjoy tournaments, leagues, and pick up games, and 7th is arguably worse off than previous edition in catering to those types of games and gamers.
7th wasn't made for anyone other than people who want to spend as much money as possible. GW had and has no real plan when it comes to its design process, and this edition is no more friendly to competitive gamers than it is to the most casual players. If anything, it was designed to push as many large models as possible with Unbound and Lords of War.
In my best mood, I'll call 7th (plus codices in this edition) a sidegrade from 6th, and step down from 5th. In my worst mood, I'll call it an obvious money grab that still fails to address many problems in the game, and the codices feel bland and cut up to sell expensive supplements and dataslates.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/25 16:35:29
Subject: would like to get in to 7ed buy have some ?
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First of all, it'd be a great help to everyone if you could improve the spelling and grammar on your posts, it says you're from the US so I'm assuming English is your main language, taking a minute to just check it before you post makes it a lot easier.
To answer your point, it can be seen as both very competitive and very casual, as the Unbound rules let you take whatever you want (within reason). We can't simply tell you what to buy, you have to have a look at your local meta and make note on the degree to which they play Unbound.
You've posted pretty much the same question twice already in the last month, both of which were locked. You probably should take the advice given and work with it rather than making new threads which will probably be locked again.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/25 16:36:18
Subject: would like to get in to 7ed buy have some ?
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zilka86 wrote:I have seen the opposite whole armys of wave serpents and knight riptide armys people just spaming only the best stuff in one army. Its like i need to buy so much stuff to keep up
This is absolutely no different from any other edition of 40k. If you are playing competitive games then people are going to spam the nastiest stuff in their codex at you.
I personally find 7th ed. to be better than 6th. The changes in the psychic phase have been nice, and the new maelstrom objectives have made the game more dynamic (if a little more luck based).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/25 16:40:04
Subject: would like to get in to 7ed buy have some ?
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Grizzled Space Wolves Great Wolf
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I think you need to spend some time defining casual because 7th seems like a horrible game from what I consider casual. If you just like to throw together an army without trying to squeeze in the most powerful units, maybe you're playing with everything you own, just rocking up to the local store or club for a game, then 7th edition is terrible because you're liable to be pitted against armies that will crush you and the outcome is known before you even deploy anything. If you actually use the more open army selection rules of 7th, you're even more likely to create an unbalanced game.
Unless by "casual" you simply mean "don't care what the outcome of the game is even if it was a predetermined loss/win based on army selection".
If you want to have balanced games you have to really understand your local meta and work to create lists that are balanced against your opponents, that in itself may take some trial and error and requires a pretty good understanding of the rules... hardly what I consider casual play.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/25 17:08:44
Subject: would like to get in to 7ed buy have some ?
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No. Every single thread you make is a complaint about how much you hate something about the game, and you never seem to listen to anyone who disagrees with you. I think it should be pretty clear that 40k is not the game for you, and you should move on to something that you will actually enjoy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/25 17:38:53
Subject: would like to get in to 7ed buy have some ?
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Is 'Eavy Metal Calling?
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AllSeeingSkink wrote:I think you need to spend some time defining casual because 7th seems like a horrible game from what I consider casual. If you just like to throw together an army without trying to squeeze in the most powerful units, maybe you're playing with everything you own, just rocking up to the local store or club for a game, then 7th edition is terrible because you're liable to be pitted against armies that will crush you and the outcome is known before you even deploy anything. If you actually use the more open army selection rules of 7th, you're even more likely to create an unbalanced game.
Only if your opponent adopts an approach whereby they do build a list primarily for effectiveness, which is what GW are trying to move the game away from. I imagine if most people built lists from the units they liked in their codex, built to a theme and with plenty of variety, most lists barring a few outliers would not lead to one person getting 'crushed'. I can only speak for my own experience, of course, but in the years I've been playing 40k in a group with this mentality, we've never had any kind of issue with balance.
There does seem to be a trend for this sort of system existing more in clubs than stores, but I don't see why; if you are willing to build fluffy, thematic and balanced lists for games with friends, I fail to see why the relative annonymity of a club is any different.
At the end of the day, those who are willing to exploit an imbalanced system will do so to the limits of whatever that system is, whether it's 5th ed FOC or 7th ed Unbound.
Unless by "casual" you simply mean "don't care what the outcome of the game is even if it was a predetermined loss/win based on army selection".
I get the impression you mean this sarcastically, but yes, that is also a part of it. In 40k now, the game is far more about how you get to the final result than what that result is.
Anyway, I shan't persist here. Anyone who's seen my posts before knows where I stand on this, and I see no point in retreading the same debate again and again.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/25 17:41:09
Subject: Re:would like to get in to 7ed buy have some ?
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7-th best thing is maelstorm missions. This alone has made my footslogging horde viable. And it's telling something. As for unbound, haven't encountered anyone bringing unbound yet just cause bonuses for bound most often than not outweigh possibilities granted by unbound. Sure, you can imagine someone bringing explictly riptides or something. But it's not much different from bringing max riptides and min cad stuff. And i can tell you that an army of riptides is a piece of cake for some regular armies. I'm much more afraid of crysis suits and broadsides.
As for the super-heavy in a 500 pt game - it's more likely that a lone SH will loose the game to regular forces just cause more than half of tactical objectives are about board controle.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/25 17:46:12
Subject: Re:would like to get in to 7ed buy have some ?
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Dude you got some serious problems.
topics started by yourself
" why does ever one build mono build armys "
" does unbound real just brake the game more "
" are z 95 and e wings any good "
" cr90 is it op "
" assault is it realy worth it "
" cheating is it realy that common in gameing groups and trunys "
" is casual 40k dead "
" Artillery why do you need it in ever llist "
" land speeder are they worth it "
" why do so many people drink when play 40k "
" sm flyers are they worth using "
" pf and claws are they dead "
you got serious problems, i mean reallllyyy realllyy serious.
1 possibility
get your balls out, play one game in 7th edition and learn what warhammer 40 k IS.
2. stop posting
second possibility is probably the best for all of us
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/25 18:22:06
Subject: would like to get in to 7ed buy have some ?
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7th wasn't made for anything but selling more big stompy robots. It's bad for narrative play because of all the randomness. It's not narrative to play through a campaign when your psyker forgets his powers after every battle. It's bad for casual, beer and pretzels play because of the complexity, expense and time it takes to play a game. Poker is a beer and pretzels game. Everyone knows the rules, you grab a deck of cards, poker chips, beer and pretzels and you sit down and play. It's bad for competitive play because of the imbalance and contradictions in the rules. If you want to have half a chance at winning, you are restricted to 5 armies and only 1 or 2 viable builds within each army. For example
Imperial Knights
Eldar - serpent spam, Jetbike spam with WK support
crons - AV13 spam or flying bakery
space marines - white scars bike build or drop pods, grav cents and thunder fire cannon
tau - farsight list
daemons - summon spam or FMC spam
If you don't have one of those armies, good luck in a competitive environment. Also, the rules are so broken that every tournament has to house rule the game to hell and back. An army you play at one tournament might not even be legal at any other tournaments. It might be legal at other tournaments, but might not be effective because of different rulings on certain models, different mission styles or different terrain setups.
7th edition 40k is only playable in a regular group where you guys can establish house rules and figure out what you want the meta to be. Then you know what to expect when showing up for a game. It's also playable if you have one of the lists I mentioned above, but if you play a random person who is expecting fluffy bunny day at the FLGS, you won't make many friends.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/25 18:27:47
Subject: Re:would like to get in to 7ed buy have some ?
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Dakka Veteran
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driving a ford fiesta? good luck on the nurnburgring.. but.. senseless here
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/26 04:24:45
Subject: would like to get in to 7ed buy have some ?
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So 7ed is not good for pick up games . so i need to find a group of people that play the game in a like mind way as me .because the group i play with spam only best units like all waveserpent armys all riptides armys . and they only play death matchs so who can table who . so i think i need to look in to a new gaming group to get a different feel for this game
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/26 09:51:52
Subject: Re:would like to get in to 7ed buy have some ?
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Growlin' Guntrukk Driver with Killacannon
octarius.Lets krump da bugs!
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He has been on dakka as long as me. This...shakes my faith in the mods.They have locked soooo many of his threads: why havent they banned him yet?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/26 10:04:38
Subject: would like to get in to 7ed buy have some ?
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Grizzled Space Wolves Great Wolf
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Paradigm wrote:Only if your opponent adopts an approach whereby they do build a list primarily for effectiveness, which is what GW are trying to move the game away from. I imagine if most people built lists from the units they liked in their codex, built to a theme and with plenty of variety, most lists barring a few outliers would not lead to one person getting 'crushed'. I can only speak for my own experience, of course, but in the years I've been playing 40k in a group with this mentality, we've never had any kind of issue with balance.
There does seem to be a trend for this sort of system existing more in clubs than stores, but I don't see why; if you are willing to build fluffy, thematic and balanced lists for games with friends, I fail to see why the relative annonymity of a club is any different.
At the end of the day, those who are willing to exploit an imbalanced system will do so to the limits of whatever that system is, whether it's 5th ed FOC or 7th ed Unbound.
The problem is that you don't have to have one player who just throws together a themed list and another player who throws together a power list to have horrible balance because the whole damned thing is horribly unbalanced. You can rock up and play against a themed list which is simply a hard counter to your own list. You can rock up with a randomly thrown together list and get lucky that it turns out better than your opponent's randomly thrown together army.
That makes it a terrible casual game unless your definition of casual is simply that you are happy lining up your models and going "pew pew pew" instead of actually playing a game where you and your opponent have a similar chance of victory based on skill rather than what you happened to show up with.
GW aren't trying to move the game to or from anything, or if they are they're doing a piss poor job of it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/26 10:08:49
Subject: would like to get in to 7ed buy have some ?
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Auspicious Daemonic Herald
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zilka86 wrote:So 7ed is not good for pick up games . so i need to find a group of people that play the game in a like mind way as me .because the group i play with spam only best units like all waveserpent armys all riptides armys . and they only play death matchs so who can table who . so i think i need to look in to a new gaming group to get a different feel for this game
Yes.
40k can be tons of fun but you need to work with the people you play with to make it fun. The variance in list building and power unbalance makes it very hard for pick up games to match strength wise even amongst casual players (since some players will inadvertently pick to use powerful models because they look cool and that can be enough to tip the scale game wise). But 40k is a great system to play with because it gives you so many options and ways to play it and the models are awesome. If you take the time with your opponents and play groups to decide on how you want to play 40k and set guidelines, then you can build lists that are appropriately matched for an enjoyable match.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/26 10:38:01
Subject: would like to get in to 7ed buy have some ?
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Veteran Knight Baron in a Crusader
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If they play competitive, build your army with that in mind. What's stopping you from doing a serpent army or imperial knights?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/26 10:55:10
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Auspicious Daemonic Herald
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Toofast wrote:If they play competitive, build your army with that in mind. What's stopping you from doing a serpent army or imperial knights?
Probably because he doesn't want to play one.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/26 11:13:31
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Powerful Phoenix Lord
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Toofast wrote:If they play competitive, build your army with that in mind. What's stopping you from doing a serpent army or imperial knights?
He had to sell all of his Eldar when the new codex was released (the models were invalidated or something), and hasn't bought new ones yet.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/26 11:30:05
Subject: Re:would like to get in to 7ed buy have some ?
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Sorry...what eldar units got invalidated? They've all gotten pretty much better with some of them getting broken good.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/26 12:07:17
Subject: Re:would like to get in to 7ed buy have some ?
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koooaei wrote:Sorry...what eldar units got invalidated? They've all gotten pretty much better with some of them getting broken good.
All of them. :p
Apparently, when a new codex is released all older models are invalidated. So you need to (a) buy a new codex and (b) re-buy your army.
Apparently. It Is a belief held by a certain poster in this thread.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/26 14:12:38
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Paradigm wrote:AllSeeingSkink wrote:I think you need to spend some time defining casual because 7th seems like a horrible game from what I consider casual. If you just like to throw together an army without trying to squeeze in the most powerful units, maybe you're playing with everything you own, just rocking up to the local store or club for a game, then 7th edition is terrible because you're liable to be pitted against armies that will crush you and the outcome is known before you even deploy anything. If you actually use the more open army selection rules of 7th, you're even more likely to create an unbalanced game.
Only if your opponent adopts an approach whereby they do build a list primarily for effectiveness, which is what GW are trying to move the game away from. I imagine if most people built lists from the units they liked in their codex, built to a theme and with plenty of variety, most lists barring a few outliers would not lead to one person getting 'crushed'. I can only speak for my own experience, of course, but in the years I've been playing 40k in a group with this mentality, we've never had any kind of issue with balance.
Oh, come on.
I've been playing 40k for about 15 years, and there are two armies that have really captured my imagination. The first one was a Tau army of only Battlesuits. When Tau was first released, I was all over that. I'd build my armies with minimum Fire Warriors and as many Crisis Suits, Broadsides, Bodyguards and Commanders as I could. Eventually I sold off all my Tau, with the intention of getting back to them when I could run an all-Battlesuit army, preferably led by my favourite character in the game; Farsight.
My second dream army is an all-biker Space Marine army. This became available in the 4th edition SM codex, and slowly but surely I've been building that army ever since. It's now a playable force at normal points levels (1,500-1,750).
I've also had other armies, most notably an Eldar army based around Wave Serpents, that I had a pretty hard time winning games with throughout 5th edition, but stuck with because I thought it was pretty damn cool and fun to play. The mobility combined with applied fire power was fun, if not always very effective, and it taught me a lot about the game and how to play better. I'm not really struggling to win with it these days, though. It looked cool, played fun, but overall it just lacked a little je ne sais quois to be a proper dream army for me. Which isn't bad, as things go.
So there's me. Three armies, all of which are now considered cheesy/ OP/spam. Which is fair enough. They're pretty damn good. But they've all come about through what I think are cool armies to play, and what I think looks cool and captures my imagination.
And another thing; I don't think it's particularly fun to throw games on purpose. I enjoy challenges on the table-top, and playing to win. Not necessarily winning, just trying to.
Where do I fit in, then? In your little bubble of "just don't build armies to win and everything will be gravy"? I don't. Casual gaming for me is pretty much dead. The only enjoyment I get from playing 40k now is through tournaments and other games against competitive players with competitive lists.
So, no, I don't think 40k is suited for casual play at all. I think it only fits for limited groups of people who just happen to have armies on an approximately similar power level. If that just happens to be you and your group, congrats. But if you play Orks and your mate Eldar, or Tau, you're kinda screwed. And be prepared to be accused of bandwagoning/spamming/cheesiness/ruining the game if ten years ago you fell in love with an army that recently turned into a power house.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/26 17:21:37
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@Thud, I've played biker marines since 5th edition and I think it's hilarious people not think they are OP. They only reason people can even consider bikers a top tier army is because you don't see CSM players bringing 2+ helldrakes at GT's any more.
Honestly I feel like there is more balance in 40k then there has ever been. The reason people seems to be freaking out about the game is that there is a wider difference between optimized and non-optimized lists. That is to say in 5th if you brought a bad list and played against a very good list you probably weren't tabled until turn 4 or so because the game was less killy. Now you do face the possibility of an early demise and potentially encountering something you are unable to deal with at all because you did not plan for it. However if you think about the game and what you might encounter and your write your lists accordingly you will have a punchers chance in any game against any codex using any codex which is really all you can ask for. If you can't beat wave serpent spam it is probably because you are not a good enough player. If you can't beat Adamantium lance it is probably because you are not a good enough player.
I don't like playing against "casual gamers" these days because most of those players like to spend their time moaning about how terrible 40k is now and psychologically give up when they play a good list instead of recognizing that the problem they have with 40k is that they are not very good at 40k and/or they refuse to tweak their list/tactics to deal with things.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/26 17:54:43
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Shas'o Commanding the Hunter Kadre
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zilka86 wrote:Is 7ed really any good . i been ready lot on line on how broken unbound is letting people take whole units of the best things. Also people taking low in normal pick up games is what really has kept me away from getting in the new ed. also withthe new psychic phase letting demon armys just keep getting more and more units with really no way to stop it from the battle report i have watched .
So is 7ed unfriendly to very causal players playing for fun and not to get tabled all the time
seems 7ed was made for more comptivat players
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Also getting titans in a list for 500 pt is kind of bs thought the would. More
No one plays unbound really around here. No one want the stigma of being TFG for doing it. Maybe there are some pretty okay lists but theres a REASON someone wnats to do unbound and its rarely for fluffy reasons. So you won't see it much if at all in tournaments which means you wont see it much at all in practice games and o its likely to be the minority that actually do it. Maybe for funsies or something.
Summoning is a thing. What you'll find in 6E and 7E is that speed is a weapon and you want it on your side. If you have it, then the time they have to try and spawn will be limited. I think slower armies suffr far more from spawning than do the faster ones. Just an opinion. The summoning armies are a thing though and you must not underestimate them. They do not get the mileage they would like against some armies though. if your ONLY army is one that has no speed or Psykers, you miht be in trouble. Anti-air is a must, two units at least for that.
I like 7E a LOT more than 6E though and every edition has its quirks. If you love playing with your models and arent super competitive as a player, just tell your opponents you need a more friendly list. But in any wargame, when you first start, you'll probably lose a few and it wont be because the opponents arent trying to be nice. It'll jut be the nature of war games. Bettr players win more. The list doesnt matter nearly as much as being good. But they still matter, tis true.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/26 19:52:55
Subject: would like to get in to 7ed buy have some ?
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Cosmic Joe
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Unless you have a close group already, I'd avoid 7th ed like a plague.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/26 20:56:45
Subject: Re:would like to get in to 7ed buy have some ?
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Douglas Bader
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Da krimson barun wrote:He has been on dakka as long as me. This...shakes my faith in the mods.They have locked soooo many of his threads: why havent they banned him yet?
They have banned him, IIRC, this is his second account.
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/26 22:11:54
Subject: Re:would like to get in to 7ed buy have some ?
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Thermo-Optical Hac Tao
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Peregrine wrote: Da krimson barun wrote:He has been on dakka as long as me. This...shakes my faith in the mods.They have locked soooo many of his threads: why havent they banned him yet?
They have banned him, IIRC, this is his second account.
If that's common knowledge shouldn't he just be banned again? Doesn't seem like he learnt much from the first banning.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/27 01:06:59
Subject: Re:would like to get in to 7ed buy have some ?
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Veteran Knight Baron in a Crusader
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Deadnight wrote: koooaei wrote:Sorry...what eldar units got invalidated? They've all gotten pretty much better with some of them getting broken good.
All of them. :p
Apparently, when a new codex is released all older models are invalidated. So you need to (a) buy a new codex and (b) re-buy your army.
Apparently. It Is a belief held by a certain poster in this thread. 
90% of the eldar models are still using the original sculpts. It's the #1 complaint right now from eldar players. All of our aspect warriors are like 20 year old sculpts. Same with all the Phoenix lords. My space wolves still use old metal sculpt terminators. What does a new codex coming out have to do with using older models as long as they're on the proper base?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2014/12/27 01:17:49
Subject: Re:would like to get in to 7ed buy have some ?
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Douglas Bader
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Toofast wrote:90% of the eldar models are still using the original sculpts. It's the #1 complaint right now from eldar players. All of our aspect warriors are like 20 year old sculpts. Same with all the Phoenix lords. My space wolves still use old metal sculpt terminators. What does a new codex coming out have to do with using older models as long as they're on the proper base?
You missed the point there. OP has a habit of posting "OMG THE SKY IS FALLING" reactions about how all of their stuff is invalid and going on ebay because they rolled a 2 on a D6. In one case, IIRC, this involved an absurd claim about how the new Eldar codex meant that all of their Eldar models are no longer legal and how this ruins the game. It made about as much sense as their thread about how units/upgrades/etc that didn't have official GW models (in codices from back when GW used to do that) were not legal choices and were just in the codex for fluff or whatever.
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There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. |
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