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Made in us
Stalwart Dark Angels Space Marine





Interrogator-Chaplain: Space Marine bike; bolt pistol; crozius arcanum 130
• 5 Ravenwing Black Knight: Standard of Fortitude; 4× plasma talon; Ravenwing grenade launcher; Ravenwing Apothecary; Ravenwing Champion 320
Librarian in Terminator armour: combi-melta; Psyker (Mastery Level 2); force weapon 125

6 Tactical Space Marines: combi-plasma; plasma gun 109
• Razorback: dozer blade; storm bolter; lascannon and twin-linked plasma gun 85
6 Tactical Space Marines: combi-plasma; plasma gun 109
• Razorback: dozer blade; storm bolter; lascannon and twin-linked plasma gun 85

6 Deathwing Terminators: chainfist; assault cannon; Deathwing Terminator Sergeant 289
5 Deathwing Knights 235

6 Ravenwing Bikers: 2× meltagun; Ravenwing Sergeant (bolt pistol) 181

Land Raider Crusader: storm bolter; dozer blade; multi-melta; Deathwing vehicle 300

1,968 points
That's my current list. Not too many people at my club are waac players but a fair amount of space wolves and eldar that just love to min max. Most of the time games come down to generalship. Looking for help filling out my list. Feel free to suggest snipping something off here and there. Thanks in advance!

 
   
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Executing Exarch






Mordred wrote:
• 5 Ravenwing Black Knight: Standard of Fortitude; 4× plasma talon; Ravenwing grenade launcher; Ravenwing Apothecary; Ravenwing Champion 320
The Standard of Fortitude and an Apothecary? Not much point in doubling them up in my opinion, just stick with the Standard. Also not keen on the Champion, but he can be useful for chumping challenges for the Chaplain.
Mordred wrote:
Librarian in Terminator armour: combi-melta; Psyker (Mastery Level 2); force weapon 125
Should be 136 points. Which unit is he joining? Which powers is he going for?
Mordred wrote:
• Razorback: dozer blade; storm bolter; lascannon and twin-linked plasma gun 85
The Las/Plas Razor already suffers from only being able to fire one of it's weapons at full ballistic if it moves, so I'm doubtful of adding the Stormbolter (even though it is cheap).
Mordred wrote:
6 Deathwing Terminators: chainfist; assault cannon; Deathwing Terminator Sergeant 289
5 Deathwing Knights 235
I'm presuming that the Knights are in the Land Raider and the other DW are Deep-Striking?
Mordred wrote:
6 Ravenwing Bikers: 2× meltagun; Ravenwing Sergeant (bolt pistol) 181
I'd give the Sergeant a Combi-Melta.
Mordred wrote:
Land Raider Crusader: storm bolter; dozer blade; multi-melta; Deathwing vehicle 300
Again, not sure on the Stormbolter.

Dropping the Apothecary will give you enough points to upgrade the Chaplain's Crozius to the Mace of Redemption, or perhaps add another Terminator to one of the DW units (perhaps some TH/SS to the standard DW?).
   
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I agree with literally everything quanar says.

I would try and get a bike/powerfield on the lib if possible. Its sweet to keep the B knights moving with the raider and him providing a 4++ to the whole lot. Means sometimes you don't have to jink with them.

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Made in us
Stalwart Dark Angels Space Marine





Interrogator-Chaplain: Space Marine bike; bolt pistol; crozius arcanum 130
• 5 Ravenwing Black Knight: Standard of Fortitude; Ravenwing Champion 290
Librarian in Terminator armour: combi-melta; Psyker (Mastery Level 2); force weapon 136

6 Tactical Space Marines: combi-plasma; plasma gun 109
• Razorback: dozer blade; lascannon and twin-linked plasma gun 80
6 Tactical Space Marines: combi-plasma; plasma gun 109
• Razorback: dozer blade; lascannon and twin-linked plasma gun 80

5 Deathwing Knights 235
5 Deathwing Terminators: chainfist; assault cannon 245

6 Ravenwing Bikers: combi-melta; 2× meltagun 191

Land Raider Crusader: dozer blade; multi-melta; Deathwing vehicle 295

1,900 points
So I trimmed all the fat you suggested and now I have 100 points to work with. The reason for the storm bolters was to mitigate weapon destroyed results. The same reason I had the apothecary was to mitigate the banners death but I like having the points more so thanks. I thought about giving melta bombs to the chaplain and the Libby, thoughts? The Knights are in the raider and the reg termies are deep striking with the Libby on telepathy because I think it's fun but I'm not sold on his discipline. Ravenwing grenade launcher is still in their just forgot to add. Should I replace crozius with mace I hate losing 15 pts but the ap3 would be huge against space wolves everywhere so I think I just talked myself into it. But there is still 70pts left over, so what should I fill that out with?

 
   
Made in gb
Executing Exarch






Mordred wrote:
So I trimmed all the fat you suggested and now I have 100 points to work with. The reason for the storm bolters was to mitigate weapon destroyed results. The same reason I had the apothecary was to mitigate the banners death but I like having the points more so thanks. I thought about giving melta bombs to the chaplain and the Libby, thoughts? The Knights are in the raider and the reg termies are deep striking with the Libby on telepathy because I think it's fun but I'm not sold on his discipline. Ravenwing grenade launcher is still in their just forgot to add. Should I replace crozius with mace I hate losing 15 pts but the ap3 would be huge against space wolves everywhere so I think I just talked myself into it. But there is still 70pts left over, so what should I fill that out with?
If someone has the ability to snipe out the Banner, they'll equally be able to snipe the Apothecary - I'll agree that redundancy is good to have in a list, but it is a chunk of points that won't necessarily come up in many games.
With regard to the extra points, either an Attack Bike (with Multimelta) if you have the model, or another terminator or DWK, the rest is just filler so put the SB's back on if you like (I've not had many instances in 7th where it would come up I suspect, but it's tricky to find anything else to do with the points - can't enlarge any of the non-terminator squads, maxed out specials). Something to consider with the spare points: an Auspex on the Chaplain - his bike only comes with Boltguns, so being able to reduce the cover save of the unit being shot by the Plasma Talons (which will be ignoring armour saves) can be useful.
As for the Librarian - Divination can provide some useful tools (a 4++, re-rolls on to-hits, Ignores Cover) the Primaris from Telepathy can be devastating, and Invisibility is just plain broken.
   
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Stalwart Dark Angels Space Marine





Thanks for all the help. The final list I will be taking:

Interrogator-Chaplain: auspex; Space Marine bike; Mace of Redemption; bolt pistol; crozius arcanum 165
• 5 Ravenwing Black Knight: Standard of Fortitude; Ravenwing grenade launcher; Ravenwing Champion 290
Librarian in Terminator armour: combi-melta; melta bombs; Psyker (Mastery Level 2); force weapon 141

6 Tactical Space Marines: combi-plasma; plasma gun 109
• Razorback: dozer blade; lascannon and twin-linked plasma gun 80
6 Tactical Space Marines: combi-plasma; plasma gun 109
• Razorback: dozer blade; lascannon and twin-linked plasma gun 80

6 Deathwing Terminators: chainfist; assault cannon 289
5 Deathwing Knights: Perfidious Relic of the Unforgiven 245

6 Ravenwing Bikers: combi-melta; 2× meltagun 191

Land Raider Crusader: dozer blade; storm bolter; multi-melta; Deathwing vehicle 300

1,999 points

 
   
 
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