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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/03 20:19:15
Subject: Who is Histories Greatest Assassin?
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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As the title suggests.
Who is Histories Greatest Assassin.
I bring a challenger to this title: Hattori Hanzo a ninja during the greatest Samurai Period was the Sengoku Japan Period.
How so? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hattori_Hanz%C5%8D
http://www.badassoftheweek.com/hanzo.html
Hanzo Hattori was the leader of the Iga Ninja Clan in 16th Century Japan and is considered by many to be the most badass ninja to ever live. His exploits have become the thing of legend in his native land, and all who study the arts of Ninjitsu and Kicking Ass look to Hanzo as the shining example of what it means to be totally fething awesome.
Hanzo Hattori began his training by climbing a mountain at the age of eight and seeking instruction from the most hardcore ninja masters in all of Japan. He busted his nuts every single day for four years, practicing insane ninja skills like jumping, flying, and stabbing, finally being declared a full-on ninja at age twelve. By the time he was sixteen, he had already proven himself as the ultimate badass, serving in battles for the Oda Clan, where he earned the nicknames, “Hanzo the Ghost”, and “Devil Hanzo”, probably because he would sneak around undetected and then nail melon-fethers in the face with a flying side kick when they least expected it. Then he’d drop a smoke bomb and vanish into the night, only to re-appear moments later, chopping off some jerk’s head and doing backflips for no reason at all.
Hanzo began to make a name for himself while in the service of a dude named Tokugawa Ieyasu, who was a General in the Oda Clan. Tokugawa would eventually go on to kick the asses of everyone in Feudal Japan, unify the country Qin Shi Huangdi-style and earn the esteemed title of Shogun, so Hanzo could tell everyone he knew Ieyasu “back in the day”, and everyone would know he was O.G. Hanzo fought valiantly at the Battle of Anagawa in 1570, where Tokugawa’s men slogged through some brutal hand-to-hand combat in the middle of a river, and later at the Battle of Mikatagahara in 1572, where Devil Hanzo and his ninja melon-fethers kicked asses despite being outnumbered four to one by an army of hardcore samurai. After the first day of fighting Tokugawa's had been overwhelmed, and the enemy was preparing to make their final assault on the Oda Clan positions when Hanzo and his ninjas launched a balls-out night raid against the enemy's main camp, lopping off heads, hitting people in the face with nunchucks, hurling ninja stars all over thep lace, causing disorder and chaos, and forcing the withdrawl of the invading armies.
Now you don’t become the most legendary ninja in history by not being fething awesome. Hanzo is reputed to have possessed otherworldly skills, and supposedly could teleport, turn invisible, and make gak explode just by swearing at it. He could reportedly hold his breath underwater for like two days straight, and his martial arts moves were so sweet that it made people barf all over their kimonos (in a good way). His Ninja Clan, the “Men of Iga”, were recruited to spy on the enemies of Tokugawa, as well as perform assassinations, reconnaissance, sabotage, demolitions, kidnappings, and other forms of espionage black ops gak, sort of like the Navy SEALS, only with more stabbing and climbing and fewer Southern accents. He had ninja operatives working undercover as ronin warriors in the castles of many of the Tokugawa’s enemies, and his spies were more omnipresent than the fething CIA and the KGB smashed together into one giant Voltron of Secrecy. Hanzo Hattori and his Iga Ninjas were so effective that many people credit much of Tokugawa’s rise to power on his successful deployment of crazy ninja badasses throughout the country and his utilization of their superhuman skills.
Hanzo the Ghost would pull off his most famous accomplishment in 1582, while he was out kicking asses with Tokugawa Ieyasu in the Osaka Prefecture. Hanzo had just gotten finished executing an unprecedented one hundred fifty-eight hit combo on some jackass rival ninja master, culminating with a Shoruken Dragon Punch that made his opponent's head explode into a geyser of blood, when all of a sudden word came down that the warlord Akechi Mitsuhide had just betrayed and assassinated his master, Oda Nobunaga. Since Nobunaga was the leader of Tokugawa’s Clan, it meant that gak was about to get really fething hairy for the future shogun in a hurry. They knew Akechi was going put up security checkpoints and send out roving bands of samurai looking to decapitate Tokugawa and bury his head in a drainage ditch somewhere, and now he appeared to be trapped, alone, and surrounded, with a few hundred miles separating him from his castle in Mikawa Prefecture.
Hanzo somersaulted into action like the melon-fething ball-busting ninja that he was, telling Tokugawa to stay back and let the Iga Clan handle gak. He snuck into the nearby Koga and Iga Prefectures, climbed the highest mountain he could find, and started wailing a bitchin’ guitar solo so loud, flaming, and technically challenging that it started setting off explosions and fireworks in the sky above him. When nearby ninjas saw how much ass Hanzo was kicking, they all met up with him and formed an insane entourage of 300 Master Ninjas all prepared to escort Tokugawa to safety or die trying. Using diplomacy, secrecy, advanced reconnaissance and the occasional jump-spinning 360-degree roundhouse kick, Hanzo and his ninja bodyguards were able to successfully escort Tokugawa to the safety of Mikawa. Tokugawa was so impressed by this display of bravery and badassitude that he kept two hundred of the ninjas on his payroll, officially forming the “Men of Iga”, under the command of Hanzo Hattori. They were assigned the critical duty of protecting the West Gate of Edo Castle – the gate most susceptible to a surprise attack by enemy forces. Tokugawa knew that if gak was going to go down, he wanted Hanzo Hattori and his Goddamned Ninja Army to be the ones on the front lines. The West entrance to Edo was renamed Hanzo-Mon, and to this day “Hanzo’s Gate” still stands proudly, just daring melon-fethers to mess with it.
Hanzo served bravely until 1590 when he died valiantly in battle at age fifty-five. He had been chasing down a rival ninja clan, kicking everyone’s ass, when he ran into a trap and was burned to death by flaming oil, going out in a blaze of glory (nyuk nyuk) and probably looking awesome even in death. To this day Hanzo is such a legendary, popular figure in Japan that characters bearing his name appear in all sorts of games, television shows, and other gak, and it’s a well-known fact that two-thirds of all Japanese Ninja Cartoons feature at least one character called Hanzo Hattori. Of course, there were like three different dudes from history known as Hanzo Hattori (I only covered the most well-known one here), but whatever. Most famously he was played by ultimate badass Sonny Chiba in the show “Shadow Warriors”, where Hanzo was depicted as the no-bs asskicker he was in real life, spending his free time slicing evil ninjas in half, kicking ronins in the teeth, and getting babes to take their shirts off. Chiba even reprised the role for the movie Kill Bill, when his badass skills and Hanzo Steel were needed to help The Bride exact brutal revenge on her mortal enemy, and dismember an entire gang of wannabe Yakuza dumbasses in the process.
Another thing to keep in mind when discussing the badassitude of Hanzo Hattori is that we probably don’t know half of the awesome gak he did in his lifetime, because most if it was behind-closed-doors cloak-and-dagger type insanity. Like the sort of Black Ops gak that never gets declassified because it's too hardcore. I mean, for all we know he could have single-handedly wiped out an entire clan of ninjas like Ryu Hayabasa or Shinobi, but there just isn’t any historical record of it because as far as Tokugawa was concerned it never happened. Mission Impossible type gak – “if you are caught or captured we will disavow any knowledge of your actions.” He’s like Wolf the Quarrelsome - we don’t know everything he was involved in, but what we do know about him is totally badassed.
Interested? Post your badass and let us discuss HISTORIES MOST BADASS ASSASSINS.
Now heres the ground rules...
You cannot include people who have killed people such as John Wilkes Booth.
Please use any resources at your disposal.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/03 20:36:17
Subject: Who is Histories Greatest Assassin?
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Depraved Slaanesh Chaos Lord
Inside Yvraine
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Obama. !!!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/03 20:37:42
Subject: Who is Histories Greatest Assassin?
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What?
Obama is an assassin. I have alot more respect for the man now.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/03 20:37:44
Subject: Who is Histories Greatest Assassin?
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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Surely the best assassin would be one who is unknown?
But, for the change that he brought and his impact upon the world, Gavrilo Princep?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/03 20:39:00
Subject: Who is Histories Greatest Assassin?
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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Sgt_Smudge wrote:Surely the best assassin would be one who is unknown?
But, for the change that he brought and his impact upon the world, Gavrilo Princep?
Didn't he get caught?
Not really a good assassin just a lucky one.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/03 20:40:48
Subject: Who is Histories Greatest Assassin?
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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Asherian Command wrote: Sgt_Smudge wrote:Surely the best assassin would be one who is unknown?
But, for the change that he brought and his impact upon the world, Gavrilo Princep?
Didn't he get caught?
Not really a good assassin just a lucky one.
Absolutely correct, but he did cause one World War, and indirectly caused a second.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/03 20:41:31
Subject: Who is Histories Greatest Assassin?
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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Sgt_Smudge wrote: Asherian Command wrote: Sgt_Smudge wrote:Surely the best assassin would be one who is unknown?
But, for the change that he brought and his impact upon the world, Gavrilo Princep?
Didn't he get caught?
Not really a good assassin just a lucky one.
Absolutely correct, but he did cause one World War, and indirectly caused a second.
Hanzo is accreditted with killing some of japans greatest soldiers and turned an entire siege around with three other ninja.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/03 20:46:18
Subject: Who is Histories Greatest Assassin?
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Ultramarine Librarian with Freaky Familiar
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Asherian Command wrote: Sgt_Smudge wrote: Asherian Command wrote: Sgt_Smudge wrote:Surely the best assassin would be one who is unknown?
But, for the change that he brought and his impact upon the world, Gavrilo Princep?
Didn't he get caught?
Not really a good assassin just a lucky one.
Absolutely correct, but he did cause one World War, and indirectly caused a second.
Hanzo is accreditted with killing some of japans greatest soldiers and turned an entire siege around with three other ninja.
Can't argue with that!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/03 21:26:55
Subject: Re:Who is Histories Greatest Assassin?
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Boosting Black Templar Biker
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More of a sniper than an assassin, but i guess that Simo Hayha(white death) is one tough mother
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/03 21:41:06
Subject: Who is Histories Greatest Assassin?
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Glorious Lord of Chaos
The burning pits of Hades, also known as Sweden in summer
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Ezio Auditore.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/03 21:47:45
Subject: Who is Histories Greatest Assassin?
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Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
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I like the one about the midget ninja who hid in a latrine to assassinate a guy by stabbing him up the ass.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/03 21:49:03
Subject: Who is Histories Greatest Assassin?
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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He's a fantasy character. Doesn't count. Think of a new one.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/03 22:32:15
Subject: Who is Histories Greatest Assassin?
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Homicidal Veteran Blood Angel Assault Marine
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I'm going to go with hanzo here, that was pure win.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/03 22:49:51
Subject: Who is Histories Greatest Assassin?
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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Hanzo Hataroi is quite awesome he broke a siege and the castle he was defending only had five men defending it..... A thousand men thought it wasn't worth it to attack the castle because clearly it had a ton of men.
So the Clan backed off because of Hanzo's attack.
Its probably one of the coolest moments in feudal japan.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/03 23:29:39
Subject: Who is Histories Greatest Assassin?
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Sniping Reverend Moira
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Chris Kyle.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/03 23:36:28
Subject: Re:Who is Histories Greatest Assassin?
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Hellish Haemonculus
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The Hanzo stories are hard to separate myth from reality.
In any event, the funny part about this is that we're debating about who is the best member of a profession which defines success by achieving their goals in secrecy. Therefore, it stands to reason that all the 'best' members of the profession are people we've never heard of.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/03 23:39:52
Subject: Re:Who is Histories Greatest Assassin?
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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Jimsolo wrote:The Hanzo stories are hard to separate myth from reality.
In any event, the funny part about this is that we're debating about who is the best member of a profession which defines success by achieving their goals in secrecy. Therefore, it stands to reason that all the 'best' members of the profession are people we've never heard of.
There is a certain team of Assassins that the united states employ. The Delta and Black Ops units being quite famous but having very little known about them.
Yeah Hanzo's stories are quite mythical, but there are quite a few that are true but the ways he went about it are very different than the way described.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/03 23:59:47
Subject: Who is Histories Greatest Assassin?
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Kid_Kyoto
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I was only semi-trollishly going to throw down Bush Jr for 9/11. Either way, I don't think it counts if someone else actually does the effort.
Perhaps when Nixon, for pulling of the JFK thing?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/04 00:06:48
Subject: Re:Who is Histories Greatest Assassin?
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If snipers count, I don't see topping Simo Häyhä.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/04 00:07:46
Subject: Re:Who is Histories Greatest Assassin?
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Legendary Master of the Chapter
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Ouze wrote:If snipers count, I don't see topping Simo Häyhä. Well yeah. But I am specifically asking for Assassins not snipers unless they performed assassinations.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/04 00:21:49
Subject: Who is Histories Greatest Assassin?
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Gavrilo Princip
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/04 00:22:02
Subject: Who is Histories Greatest Assassin?
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Confessor Of Sins
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Greatest in what way? Most important target taken out? Biggest amount of assassinations? Or stuff happening as a result, like Princip who in essence started a world war? As an anarchist he certainly got all he wanted and a bit more, with whole nations being despoiled and many kings getting dethroned.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/04 00:23:06
Subject: Who is Histories Greatest Assassin?
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Assassin with the greatest impact? Assassin with the most luck? Sure.
Greatest? Hardly.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/04 00:34:15
Subject: Who is Histories Greatest Assassin?
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Colonel
This Is Where the Fish Lives
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djones520 wrote:
Assassin with the greatest impact? Assassin with the most luck? Sure.
Greatest? Hardly.
There was no qualifier on what "greatest" was supposed to mean.
Princip's assassination of the Archduke and his wife with his tiny FN Model 1910 was one of the most prominent factors that shaped the course of history in the 20th century. So yeah, I would say that he was a great assassin based solely on what he managed accomplish and then set in to action with two .380 bullets.
Was he lucky that he succeeded? Of course, but all assassins are lucky.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/04 00:36:10
Subject: Who is Histories Greatest Assassin?
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ScootyPuffJunior wrote: djones520 wrote:
Assassin with the greatest impact? Assassin with the most luck? Sure.
Greatest? Hardly.
There was no qualifier on what "greatest" was supposed to mean.
Princip's assassination of the Archduke and his wife with his tiny FN Model 1910 was one of the most prominent factors that shaped the course of history in the 20th century. So yeah, I would say that he was a great assassin based solely on what he managed accomplish and then set in to action with two .380 bullets.
Was he lucky that he succeeded? Of course, but all assassins are lucky.
He was not great. He was lucky, pure and simple. His actions had completely unintended consequences as well. He was nothing more then a dumb college kid with a bad plan, and a gun, who walked out the right door at the right time.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/04 00:55:15
Subject: Who is Histories Greatest Assassin?
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
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How has no one mentioned Hassan-i Sabbah?. I know Assassin's Creed is terrible but come on. This guy and his bunch were so good at what they did, we took their name to define what they did! They were so good at it that for centuries they had their own kingdom and no one fethed with them cause it was suicide to even bring up the topic.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/04 01:07:20
Subject: Who is Histories Greatest Assassin?
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Colonel
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djones520 wrote:He was not great. He was lucky, pure and simple. His actions had completely unintended consequences as well. He was nothing more then a dumb college kid with a bad plan, and a gun, who walked out the right door at the right time.
You're severely discounting the the scope of the plot to assassinate the Archduke while at the same discrediting his actions because they don't fit with the romantic notion of an assassin. The method of an assassination pales in comparison to the after effect caused by the assassination. The NKVD and later the KGB has some pretty fantastical methods of eliminating targets, but in the end there is nothing about the net result that was great; they killed dissidents and other political enemies, none of which posed any real threat to the government of the Soviet Union.
Princip got "lucky," as assassins tend to do. Look at all of major assassinations in history, both failed and successful, and you'll see that each one is the result of the tiniest thing going right or going wrong.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/04 01:11:38
Subject: Who is Histories Greatest Assassin?
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Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
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Obviously Princip just managed to get off his full rotation and all his procs
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/04 01:12:40
Subject: Who is Histories Greatest Assassin?
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ScootyPuffJunior wrote: djones520 wrote:He was not great. He was lucky, pure and simple. His actions had completely unintended consequences as well. He was nothing more then a dumb college kid with a bad plan, and a gun, who walked out the right door at the right time.
You're severely discounting the the scope of the plot to assassinate the Archduke while at the same discrediting his actions because they don't fit with the romantic notion of an assassin. The method of an assassination pales in comparison to the after effect caused by the assassination. The NKVD and later the KGB has some pretty fantastical methods of eliminating targets, but in the end there is nothing about the net result that was great; they killed dissidents and other political enemies, none of which posed any real threat to the government of the Soviet Union.
Princip got "lucky," as assassins tend to do. Look at all of major assassinations in history, both failed and successful, and you'll see that each one is the result of the tiniest thing going right or going wrong.
He got lucky by literally the driver taking the wrong route by accident and then the arch duke being literally on the same street as the would be assassin, in fact he failed his first attempt. And then when he saw him he knew what to do and shot the arch duke and his wife.
Don't kid yourselves he is not a great assassin.
Most assassins rely on skill hence why we never hear about them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/04 01:22:45
Subject: Who is Histories Greatest Assassin?
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Asherian Command wrote: ScootyPuffJunior wrote: djones520 wrote:He was not great. He was lucky, pure and simple. His actions had completely unintended consequences as well. He was nothing more then a dumb college kid with a bad plan, and a gun, who walked out the right door at the right time.
You're severely discounting the the scope of the plot to assassinate the Archduke while at the same discrediting his actions because they don't fit with the romantic notion of an assassin. The method of an assassination pales in comparison to the after effect caused by the assassination. The NKVD and later the KGB has some pretty fantastical methods of eliminating targets, but in the end there is nothing about the net result that was great; they killed dissidents and other political enemies, none of which posed any real threat to the government of the Soviet Union.
Princip got "lucky," as assassins tend to do. Look at all of major assassinations in history, both failed and successful, and you'll see that each one is the result of the tiniest thing going right or going wrong.
He got lucky by literally the driver taking the wrong route by accident and then the arch duke being literally on the same street as the would be assassin, in fact he failed his first attempt. And then when he saw him he knew what to do and shot the arch duke and his wife.
Don't kid yourselves he is not a great assassin.
Most assassins rely on skill hence why we never hear about them.
Exactly. The killing of the Archduke had nothing to do with the plot. The guy walked out of a bar, the Arch Dukes car drove by at that exact moment, it was pure luck. There was no plan involved when the guy was actually killed.
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