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Can I (provided I have the fortification slots to do so) stack fortifications on top of one another, on their battlements etc?

For example, (not caring about invuln because im happy to accept buildings are not models, but about extra height instead) could I have:

A Vengeance weapon battery, on top of a bastion, which in turn is on top of a sky shield landing pad?


(Obviously it would be silly to do stuff like this, but i just wanted to check what the rules say about it).

The Rules only require that you follow the "standard deployment" rules.

These Rules used to (6th Ed) mention being "on the board", but there is no such mention in 7th Ed.

You may indeed deploy a Space Marine Commander on top of a Rhino.

Oh and what you mentioned is pretty much the same.
I'm just not sure who you're playing against would agree, but he might do...


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 BlackTalos wrote:
The Rules only require that you follow the "standard deployment" rules.

These Rules used to (6th Ed) mention being "on the board", but there is no such mention in 7th Ed.

You may indeed deploy a Space Marine Commander on top of a Rhino.

Oh and what you mentioned is pretty much the same.
I'm just not sure who you're playing against would agree, but he might do...


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http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/617069.page#7240655

Models on top of models is legit? So LOS game changers?

Fortifications taken as part of your detachment can be placed anywhere you want, they are deployed exactly like your units.

Neutral Fortifications are placed like scenery and so must be placed directly onto the battlefield. So no stacking.

 eskimo wrote:

Models on top of models is legit? So LOS game changers?

It also allows said model "on top" to fly:

 BlackTalos wrote:
"can never move or pivot (see below) through another model (friend or foe) at any time. To move past, they must go around."

Is the clause. Is this a restriction if you are on top? Commander may move down but tank cannot. Or could it? the model is on top of it, so moving the Rhino would not go "through" either, just below. Leaving the model 2" high in the air and you could claim WMS that you would have to "temporarily" put him on the ground. It was there to begin with so WMS can be called out...
The whole game would break one way or the other and assuming A on top of B banned unless specified is the way to go IMHO.

 BlackTalos wrote:
The Rules only require that you follow the "standard deployment" rules.

These Rules used to (6th Ed) mention being "on the board", but there is no such mention in 7th Ed.

You may indeed deploy a Space Marine Commander on top of a Rhino.

Oh and what you mentioned is pretty much the same.
I'm just not sure who you're playing against would agree, but he might do...


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http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/617069.page#7240655

So when I assault the rhino with 30 boys, I can completely surround it, then cover the rhino with boys? I like that, kill the rhino and the unit inside in one nice assault.




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 xandermacleod wrote:
Can I (provided I have the fortification slots to do so) stack fortifications on top of one another, on their battlements etc?

For example, (not caring about invuln because im happy to accept buildings are not models, but about extra height instead) could I have:

A Vengeance weapon battery, on top of a bastion, which in turn is on top of a sky shield landing pad?


(Obviously it would be silly to do stuff like this, but i just wanted to check what the rules say about it).

Model or not, it is a unit, and the skyshield grants units a invuln save.

sirlynchmob wrote:

 BlackTalos wrote:
The Rules only require that you follow the "standard deployment" rules.

These Rules used to (6th Ed) mention being "on the board", but there is no such mention in 7th Ed.

You may indeed deploy a Space Marine Commander on top of a Rhino.

Oh and what you mentioned is pretty much the same.
I'm just not sure who you're playing against would agree, but he might do...


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This might be useful for you:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/617069.page#7240655

So when I assault the rhino with 30 boys, I can completely surround it, then cover the rhino with boys? I like that, kill the rhino and the unit inside in one nice assault.

No, because there are not any rules allowing you to climb on top of a model once the game has started.

 DeathReaper wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

 BlackTalos wrote:
The Rules only require that you follow the "standard deployment" rules.

These Rules used to (6th Ed) mention being "on the board", but there is no such mention in 7th Ed.

You may indeed deploy a Space Marine Commander on top of a Rhino.

Oh and what you mentioned is pretty much the same.
I'm just not sure who you're playing against would agree, but he might do...


Automatically Appended Next Post:
This might be useful for you:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/617069.page#7240655

So when I assault the rhino with 30 boys, I can completely surround it, then cover the rhino with boys? I like that, kill the rhino and the unit inside in one nice assault.

No, because there are not any rules allowing you to climb on top of a model once the game has started.

sure I can, assault phase, charge move, charging units MUST attempt to move into base contact with as many opposing models as possible with as many of their models as possible, the hull of the vehicle counts, my base Must move into base(hull) contact. If a charging model can not reach any enemy models it must try to move withing 2" horizonatlly or 6" vertically of one of it's own units....

It's obviously the intent based on assaulting a vehicle, plant explosives on fuel tanks, tear open hatches to attack the crew.

If the vehicle is ringed with models there's still more hull where models can fit and reach base to hull contact. So you don't start off by circling it, you put models in front of it, the next models to the sides and on top of it, until the whole tank is carpeted. Thus following the rules of not holding back, and getting as many models as possible into B2B.

 BlackTalos wrote:
You may indeed deploy a Space Marine Commander on top of a Rhino.

Wait, so the Dante riding on top of the winged Land Raider (Stormraven) is legal?

I need to look for ways to stack the Aegis Defense Line on itself to make an big wall to hide stuff behind.

sirlynchmob wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

 BlackTalos wrote:
The Rules only require that you follow the "standard deployment" rules.

These Rules used to (6th Ed) mention being "on the board", but there is no such mention in 7th Ed.

You may indeed deploy a Space Marine Commander on top of a Rhino.

Oh and what you mentioned is pretty much the same.
I'm just not sure who you're playing against would agree, but he might do...


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This might be useful for you:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/617069.page#7240655

So when I assault the rhino with 30 boys, I can completely surround it, then cover the rhino with boys? I like that, kill the rhino and the unit inside in one nice assault.

No, because there are not any rules allowing you to climb on top of a model once the game has started.

sure I can, assault phase, charge move, charging units MUST attempt to move into base contact with as many opposing models as possible with as many of their models as possible, the hull of the vehicle counts, my base Must move into base(hull) contact. If a charging model can not reach any enemy models it must try to move withing 2" horizonatlly or 6" vertically of one of it's own units....

It's obviously the intent based on assaulting a vehicle, plant explosives on fuel tanks, tear open hatches to attack the crew.

If the vehicle is ringed with models there's still more hull where models can fit and reach base to hull contact. So you don't start off by circling it, you put models in front of it, the next models to the sides and on top of it, until the whole tank is carpeted. Thus following the rules of not holding back, and getting as many models as possible into B2B.

Surely you can quote the allowance to climb the side of a model, instead of moving through the terrain like the rules allow.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 BlackTalos wrote:
You may indeed deploy a Space Marine Commander on top of a Rhino.

Wait, so the Dante riding on top of the winged Land Raider (Stormraven) is legal?

I need to look for ways to stack the Aegis Defense Line on itself to make an big wall to hide stuff behind.

No, because the SR is in reserve. and when the models come onto the table you move them on one at a time, so this is not possible.

And if you do deploy a model on top of another model, neither of them may move, as you need to complete a units movement before you move a different unit.

If you are moving a rhino and it has another model on top of it, then you are moving two units at once, which is against the rules.

 DeathReaper wrote:

sirlynchmob wrote:

 casvalremdeikun wrote:

 BlackTalos wrote:
You may indeed deploy a Space Marine Commander on top of a Rhino.

Wait, so the Dante riding on top of the winged Land Raider (Stormraven) is legal?

I need to look for ways to stack the Aegis Defense Line on itself to make an big wall to hide stuff behind.

No, because the SR is in reserve. and when the models come onto the table you move them on one at a time, so this is not possible.

And if you do deploy a model on top of another model, neither of them may move, as you need to complete a units movement before you move a different unit.

If you are moving a rhino and it has another model on top of it, then you are moving two units at once, which is against the rules.

Wait, I got this. Skyshield Landing Pad with Ready For Take Off. Put Stormraven there. Put Dante on top. It does not move. Nailed it!

I thought, unless you intent to join a unit, or if you're model is stuck somewhere involuntary (CC, tank shocked in a corner, falling back, etc), you can't be within less than 1" of your other units? If so, wouldn't intentionally standing on your other vehicle units violate this?

 Nyghoma wrote:
I thought, unless you intent to join a unit, or if you're model is stuck somewhere involuntary (CC, tank shocked in a corner, falling back, etc), you can't be within less than 1" of your other units? If so, wouldn't intentionally standing on your other vehicle units violate this?

This isn't a rule.

 casvalremdeikun wrote:
Wait, I got this. Skyshield Landing Pad with Ready For Take Off. Put Stormraven there. Put Dante on top. It does not move. Nailed it!

Yup! that works.

As DeathReaper pointed out though, this "error" can only occur upon deployment. When the game starts you have no permission to climb Models.

Also because of this, when the Rhino moves and the Commander is "Wobbly model syndrome"-ed into flying, this will probably completely break all RAW and create a singularity...