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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-europe-30710777

breaking news.

11 dead, so far, apparently.

2 masked men with Kalashnikovs entered the building and lots of shooting.


Same magazine was firebombed a few years ago after making a comment/joke about Prophet Mohammed....

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Compatible with west in 3... 2... 1...

Anyways, I hope the French authorities are on this fast, make sure this doesn't go deeper.

My condolences to the families.

Condolences to our French brethren. It's a sad thing to hear.

Holy Crap they're still on the loose. Just been mention 10 Journalist and 2 LEO's. Yelling "Allah Akbar" pump action shotguns and AK's. Report out they executed a one of the two cops who was wounded.

American TV was showing the French coverage, no mention of the two Police even though it said so in French on the screen...

Fox News. Was mention while they were talking to one of their reporters station in France. Video footage of the execution. Both LEO rolled up on a bike

Ten Journalist Dead, Two LEO dead, and three in Critical
http://rt.com/news/220519-shooting-france-police-paris/

Edit

Damn, the shooters look to be experience fighters.

Fox mention a fourth now in critical.

Hopefully the French have their equivalent to SWAT or even the Army inbound.

Wow.

News reports that they lost the 2 men near a metro station. Dutch and French news have shown the video where the execution of a wounded person can be seen (up untill the last shot, of which they only play the sound). Seems a lot of people filmed from their buildings. Hopefully they can catch them fast.

Condolences to the families.

 djones520 wrote:
Compatible with west in 3... 2... 1...

How is that relevant?


Anyhow, I would like to thank all the French newspapers that refused to show the perfectly acceptable caricatures of Muhammad for singling out Charlie Hebdo and making it a target. As long as it is only one newspaper doing this, they will be target for violence. If it becomes all newspaper, everywhere, the Islamists will understand that they cannot silence caricatures of Muhammad away, and will have to learn to deal with it.

This picture looks like something I'd only think possible in a movie. Horrible. I hope the bastards are caught ASAP.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 djones520 wrote:
Compatible with west in 3... 2... 1...

How is that relevant?

It might not be relevant here ITT, but in the Netherlands there are already politicians working that angle, just a couple of hours after the attack. To say that this is in bad taste is an understatement, but I guess thats politicians for you.

Seems the LEO's in France can choose to either carry side arms or not. Two that got opted out were not carrying. They were target of opportunity since their main target was the satirical site

Wonder if they were in France and choose to go fight for ISIS and came back or ISIS members who immigrated over. Shooters given off a major vibe of "experience"

Seems to be three shooters and a driver

So, imported goons with local help most likely. Training people on site makes it hard to avoid attention, it's much easier to smuggle them in. Guns only, no bombs, another good way of ditching the intel net.

This looks scary as feth to be honest. Dubrovka style scary.

Wonder if Spiritual Leaders of Islam are going to condemned the attack.

Unbelievable. Tragic.

I just can't believe that these loonies, with seeming experience, weapons and professionalism, use their terrifying skills to attack some satirical magazine office that insulted their prophet like 10 years ago. Its absurd.
Not only is it the calculated use of violence against civilians for a political end, but the target is so trivial that is beggars belief.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
On topic: Why is it whenever anyone does a doodle of Jesus, no-one bats an eyelid. But when it's Mohammed we get crackpots like this shooting up the place etc?. fething grow up guys.

Mainline Christianity is big and doesn't have to prove anything to anyone. Offshot Christianity is where most of the nutjobs crop up.

Islam is all offshot. Hence...

Blackhoof wrote:
I just can't believe that these loonies, with seeming experience, weapons and professionalism, use their terrifying skills to attack some satirical magazine office that insulted their prophet like 10 years ago. Its absurd.

It appears the magazine has joked about Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of ISIS quite recently. Might be a coincidence, might be not.

Oh Gawddamn every time I see the video of them bouncing around in the intersection and the one jogging to their vehicle I keep looking at my M4 wishing I was there.

 angelofvengeance wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
Was going to say, these (politicians) are the same people who take to Twitter and come out with ridiculous opinions, then wonder why no-one votes for them. Bad enough they come out with such utter bull**** on TV and radio

Can we not go there in this thread right now?

I was responding to Disciple of Fate's post to be fair.

On topic: Why is it whenever anyone does a doodle of Jesus, no-one bats an eyelid. But when it's Mohammed we get crackpots like this shooting up the place etc?. fething grow up guys.

Islam expressly forbids any depiction of the Prophet. It stems from the founding of the religion, as an attempt to avoid descending into idolatry. Obviously, when a not insignificant minority of Muslims are radical and prepared to die defending their beliefs, it's only a matter of time before situations like this occur.

Does anyone know if they used the rocket launcher during the attack? If they didnt, I wonder if they have further plans to find a crowded area of soft targets. They sure seem to have had an escape route planned unlike the "normal" jihadists.

 angelofvengeance wrote:
On topic: Why is it whenever anyone does a doodle of Jesus, no-one bats an eyelid. But when it's Mohammed we get crackpots like this shooting up the place etc?.

Because everybody censors itself about drawing Muhammad, while everyone does caricatures of Jesus. But back in the days when nobody dared make a caricature of Jesus, doing so would have brought tons of hate upon you. Even not that far ago, apparently, Life of Brian got problems.

Basically you have to beat religion into submission.

 Jihadin wrote:
Oh Gawddamn every time I see the video of them bouncing around in the intersection and the one jogging to their vehicle I keep looking at my M4 wishing I was there.

Yeah, it brings out the desire in me too.

Dropbear Victim wrote:
They sure seem to have had an escape route planned unlike the "normal" jihadists.

They were trained. Training costs. You do not waste valuable assets on suicide missions.

The people pulling the triggers might be brain addled, but those that send them are not.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
On topic: Why is it whenever anyone does a doodle of Jesus, no-one bats an eyelid. But when it's Mohammed we get crackpots like this shooting up the place etc?.

Because everybody censors itself about drawing Muhammad, while everyone does caricatures of Jesus. But back in the days when nobody dared make a caricature of Jesus, doing so would have brought tons of hate upon you. Even not that far ago, apparently, Life of Brian got problems.

Basically you have to beat religion into submission.

Which Christian organization killed a dozen or so folks over The Life of Brian? I missed that story somehow.

BBC news live coverage reports that they found their car abandoned on the outskirts of Paris.

On the topic of cartoons: There are always crazy people, sometimes the world just has to be lucky to avoid them.
Some of my Christian friends (most would say they do not have a particular faith) do take some offence to Jesus cartoons, mostly because of how many surface around Christmas, just rubs them the wrong way.

 -Shrike- wrote:
Islam expressly forbids any depiction of the Prophet. It stems from the founding of the religion, as an attempt to avoid descending into idolatry.

Rather, some versions of Islam forbids this. Not all of them. Same for Allah, hence this kind of cultural shock.

 Disciple of Fate wrote:
BBC news live coverage reports that they found their car abandoned on the outskirts of Paris.

They hijacked another vehicle at a Metro station. These guys are TRAINED for they were not Praying and Spraying/Spraying and Praying. Good thing they did not have a RPG because there's a damn good chance they would remember to pull the pin to arm the round

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No idea if your pointing out the first vehicle though

 Jihadin wrote:

 Disciple of Fate wrote:
BBC news live coverage reports that they found their car abandoned on the outskirts of Paris.

They hijacked another vehicle at a Metro station. These guys are TRAINED for they were not Praying and Spraying/Spraying and Praying. Good thing they did not have a RPG because there's a damn good chance they would remember to pull the pin to arm the round

Edit

No idea if your pointing out the first vehicle though

Reports are still confused, but as they are covering the story this should be the second car.

 CptJake wrote:
Which Christian organization killed a dozen or so folks over The Life of Brian? I missed that story somehow.

Not about Life of Brian, but we had some Christians put a movie theater on fire while people were inside because it showed The Last Temptation of Christ: https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attentat_du_cin%C3%A9ma_Saint-Michel .
But I think you missed the point of my message. At some point you would certainly have been put to death for crimes of heresy long before you could even dream of publishing a caricature of Jesus. Some countries in the world still live with that kind of mentality, except with Islam, and a globalized world that allows them to hear about what happens in the rest of the world.

 Hybrid Son Of Oxayotl wrote:

 angelofvengeance wrote:
On topic: Why is it whenever anyone does a doodle of Jesus, no-one bats an eyelid. But when it's Mohammed we get crackpots like this shooting up the place etc?.

Because everybody censors itself about drawing Muhammad, while everyone does caricatures of Jesus. But back in the days when nobody dared make a caricature of Jesus, doing so would have brought tons of hate upon you. Even not that far ago, apparently, Life of Brian got problems.

Basically you have to beat religion into submission.

Can we at least try and keep the conversation civil? People have been killed, don't use this as an excuse to begin attacking religion again.