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Be'Lakor was the first daemon prince and he was created by the will of all 2 or 3 chaos gds at the time. However, because he was too powerful, the chaos gods refused to create a daemon prince of chaos undivided. So, what about Lorgar, Perturabo and Nemeroth?

I don't know honestly.

I can't see how, regardless of how powerful Be'lakor had become, the Gods wouldn't have had him on a leash. A Daemon Prince is just as much a pawn of the Chaos Gods as a Lesser or Greater Daemon is. Perhaps being a part of four Gods causes issues when power struggles are going on? Khorne might be dominating with Be'lakor assisting but the other Gods can't do jack because he doesn't solely belong to them. So maybe that's why they said they wouldn't create another.

Maybe it's how they gained ascension? Fulgrim performed a ritual to become the Prince of Pleasure, Lorgar forced Angron into becoming the Prince of Blood. But Lorgars actions were done in the name of the whole pantheon, rather than a single entity and Perturabo sacrificed the Geneseed taken from the Fists to the Pantheon as well. Possibly the Gods are tied to ritual and contracts as much as their Daemons are and didn't have a choice in the matter.

It is possible that the Gods did not put as much power into the Primarchs as they did Be'Lakor. I'm sure that over the millions of years, they would have attained better mastery of their Warpcraft.

You can always think that they've created other undivided daemon princes before or simultaniously with Be'Lakor. It's warp and stuff.

I imagine that if a Daemon Prince of unknown alignment is important enough to be mentioned again they'll be given an alignment when it's convenient.
I'd predict;
Perturabo - Nurgle
Lorgar - Tzeentch

it's also possiable that the deamon primarchs all actually have a patron. just they're less obvious about it then others. the big thing about the unaligned legions isn't nesscarily that their PRIMARCHS are undivided, but that the legions on a whole are. who knows maybe this'll all be answered in the HH novels. which is already asking us to re-examine certin long held assumptions about the Primarchs. I know I had long assumed Lorgar was the first to ascend. now I've reached the conclusion he'll be the last, once he manages to get all his brothers to ascend

BrianDavion wrote:
it's also possiable that the deamon primarchs all actually have a patron. just they're less obvious about it then others. the big thing about the unaligned legions isn't nesscarily that their PRIMARCHS are undivided, but that the legions on a whole are. who knows maybe this'll all be answered in the HH novels. which is already asking us to re-examine certin long held assumptions about the Primarchs. I know I had long assumed Lorgar was the first to ascend. now I've reached the conclusion he'll be the last, once he manages to get all his brothers to ascend

HA! Try DEscend

BrianDavion wrote:
it's also possiable that the deamon primarchs all actually have a patron. just they're less obvious about it then others. the big thing about the unaligned legions isn't nesscarily that their PRIMARCHS are undivided, but that the legions on a whole are. who knows maybe this'll all be answered in the HH novels. which is already asking us to re-examine certin long held assumptions about the Primarchs. I know I had long assumed Lorgar was the first to ascend. now I've reached the conclusion he'll be the last, once he manages to get all his brothers to ascend

From what I can make out Lorgar was one of the last to ascend and seems to be after the Heresy.

What the IA Word Bearers says on his ascension

While Kor Phaeron set his men upon Calth, Lorgar was leading the rest of the Legion against Terra. The horrors of the battles there were beyond the comprehension of mortal beings and fill many vaults of the Library Sanctus. Lorgar helped smash down the realm of the master he had once served with the fanaticism of a zealot. Suffice to say, Horus was defeated, and the legions of Chaos were forced to flee. The Word Bearers were also forced to retreat to the Eye of Terror, and there they have remained, returning to the Imperium to raid, pillage, and destroy, awaiting the chance to reclaim what was once theirs.

As time passed and the atrocities carried out in the name of Lorgar rose to new heights, he was rewarded by his patrons with the gift of daemonhood. Now he truly was the equal of a god, and the birth scream of this newest daemon of Chaos was said by Astropaths to have echoed through the warp with triumphant vindication.

And on Perturabo

Rogal Dorn was a broken man. It was nineteen years before he and the Imperial Fists could once again go to war. They left over 400 Marines at the Eternal F'ortress and every refugee carried horrific wounds.

The gene-seed captured was sacrificed to the Dark Cods in return for Perturabo`s elevation to Daemon Prince. One insult had been avenged, and since then the Iron Warriors have lived only to settle accounts with the corpse on the Golden Throne.

So I don't think they have thus far made changes to how the Primarchs ascended. Maybe they will eventually.

But there are other Daemon Princes out there who aren't Primarchs who aren't singularly aligned. But I see what you are saying though, as they do seem to be saying that there are other things in the warp. Maybe that's what they have been blessed by. The Raptor Cult is supposed to pledged to some unknown.

There *are* other things in the Warp.

The Great Four are only the most-powerful of the Chaos Gods. There are others, (many, many others). Shoot, the entire Warp is formed of emotion-energy. It, itself, is semi-sentient. It may not need the write-off of the Great Four to ascend a Daemon Prince that otherwise crosses all of its "T"s and dots all of its "I"s.

thats not what I'm saying though. what I'm saying is that GW seems to be moving away from unmarked DPs etc. and it's possiable that we're going to see even the Deamon Primarchs we assumed where chaos undivided may actually have it eistablished that they have a patron. however it doesn't stand to reason that individual legions will follow those gods, especially if it's more of an incidental. such as, just for existance, with Perturabo when he ascends it's revealed that Nurgle's basicly been his secrect patron cause the fine art of the seige craft appeals to the god of decay and entrophy.

Animus wrote:
I imagine that if a Daemon Prince of unknown alignment is important enough to be mentioned again they'll be given an alignment when it's convenient.
I'd predict;
Perturabo - Nurgle
Lorgar - Tzeentch

I don't think this is really accurate. I mean they are chaos daemon princes of Chaos Undivided. The source material is contradictory, IMO I think Belakor's writers just wanted him to be the specialist snowflake in the box and that is why it says the chaos gods vowed never to create another. also I think the Primarchs, even as daemon princes have relationships to the chaos gods that are closer to drug dealer and client than servant and master. They are the source of their power, and if they want to keep that power then align themselves with thier goals, but most of the daemon princes operate fairly autonomously from their patron deity.

 GKTiberius wrote:
I mean they are chaos daemon princes of Chaos Undivided.

They were, but GW is removing Undivided, it currently exists with basically only Be'lakor and Abaddon and Be'lakor as the only Prince.

The best advice is to just wait until GW makes up its mind on what the hell Chaos Undivided even is anymore.