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It's quiet on the homefront now... anyone heard this yet?
Justice Dept. to Recommend No Civil Rights Charges in Ferguson Shooting
WASHINGTON — The Justice Department has begun work on a legal memo recommending no civil rights charges against a white police officer in Ferguson, Mo., who killed an unarmed black teenager in August, law enforcement officials said.

That would close the politically charged case in the shooting death of 18-year-old Michael Brown. The investigation by the F.B.I., which is complete, found no evidence to support civil rights charges against the officer, Darren Wilson, the officials said.

A broader civil rights investigation into allegations of discriminatory traffic stops and excessive force by the Ferguson Police Department remains open, however. That investigation could lead to significant changes at the department, which is overwhelmingly white despite serving a city that is mostly black.

The state authorities concluded their investigation into Mr. Brown’s death in November and similarly recommended no charges.

There is a high legal bar for bringing federal civil rights charges, and federal investigators had for months signaled that they were unlikely to do so. The Justice Department plans to release a report explaining its decision, though it is not clear when.

Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr., has said that he plans to have it done before leaving office, probably in the next month or two if his successor is confirmed.

Three law enforcement officials discussed the details of the federal investigation on condition of anonymity because the report was incomplete and Mr. Holder and his top civil rights prosecutor, Vanita Gupta, had not formally made a decision. Dena Iverson, a Justice Department spokeswoman, declined to comment.

Benjamin L. Crump, a lawyer for Mr. Brown’s family, said he did not want to comment on the investigation until the Justice Department made an official announcement. “We’ve heard speculation on cases before that didn’t turn out to be true,” Mr. Crump said. “It’s too much to put the family through to respond to every rumor.” Mr. Crump said that at the end of last year that the Justice Department had told him that it was still investigating.

The lawyer for Mr. Wilson did not return calls for comment.

The shooting touched off protests that included violent clashes between demonstrators and heavily armed police. That incident, along with the death of Eric Garner — an unarmed black man who died after a chokehold by a New York police officer in July — sparked a nationwide discussion about policing, race and the use of deadly force.

President Obama, Mr. Holder and Mayor Bill de Blasio of New York, speaking about the issue in personal terms, said they understood the concern that minority neighborhoods had with the police. Those comments prompted rebukes from some law enforcement groups.

Mr. Holder said that the Justice Department’s investigation would be independent from the local authorities. While the F.B.I. and local officials conducted some interviews together and shared evidence, the analysis and decision-making were separate. Mr. Holder resisted calls from local officials to announce his conclusion alongside the county prosecutor last year, in part because he did not want it to appear as if they had reached their decisions together.

Federal investigators interviewed more than 200 people and analyzed cellphone audio and video, the law enforcement officials said. Officer Wilson’s gun, clothing and other evidence were analyzed at the F.B.I.’s laboratory in Quantico, Va. Though the local authorities and Mr. Brown’s family conducted autopsies, Mr. Holder ordered a separate autopsy, which was conducted by pathologists from the Armed Forces Medical Examiner’s office at Dover Air Force Base in Delaware, the officials said.

The federal investigation did not uncover any facts that differed significantly from the evidence made public by the authorities in Missouri late last year, the law enforcement officials said. To bring federal civil rights charges, the Justice Department would have needed to prove that Officer Wilson had intended to violate Mr. Brown’s rights when he had opened fire and that he had done so willfully — meaning he knew that it was wrong to fire, but did so anyway.

Soon after the shooting, witnesses told reporters that Mr. Brown had his hands up in a gesture of surrender when he was shot and killed by Mr. Wilson on a city street. The investigation, however, painted a murkier picture. Mr. Wilson told investigators that Mr. Brown tussled with him through the window of his police car and tried to grab his gun, an account supported by bruises and DNA evidence. Two shots were fired during that struggle.

What happened next as the confrontation moved into the street is in dispute. While some witnesses were adamant that Mr. Brown had his hands up, some recanted their stories. Mr. Wilson testified that Mr. Brown charged at him, and other witnesses backed up his account.

“I’m backpedaling pretty good because I know if he reaches me, he’ll kill me,” Mr. Wilson told a state grand jury, in testimony that investigators said was consistent with what he told the F.B.I. “And he had started to lean forward as he got that close, like he was going to just tackle me, just go right through me,” Mr. Wilson said.

The Ferguson investigation drew Mr. Holder into the spotlight on the issue of race, one he cares about deeply. He traveled to Ferguson, spoke of his experiences as a victim of racial profiling and emerged as a peacemaker during the tense days after the shooting, when police used tear gas on demonstrators and the National Guard was summoned.

The shooting also inflamed longstanding tensions between Ferguson’s black community and the police. Residents told investigators that the police used traffic citations in minority neighborhoods as a way to raise money for the city.

“These anecdotal accounts underscored the history of mistrust of law enforcement in Ferguson,” Mr. Holder said in September after returning from Ferguson, a suburb about 10 miles northwest of St. Louis.

It is not clear when the broader civil rights inquiry of the police department, known as a pattern or practice investigation, will be completed. Under Mr. Holder, prosecutors have opened more than 20 such investigations nationwide. The Justice Department recently called for sweeping changes to the Cleveland Police Department and negotiated an independent monitor to oversee the department in Albuquerque.

Mr. Wilson resigned from the department in November, citing threats of violence against him and other officers. “It is my hope that my resignation will allow the community to heal,” he said.

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 Frazzled wrote:
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What? I'm currently distracted...

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I'm hoping that it gets thoroughly leaked multiple times over a few weeks so that no one is "surprised".

That way, it'll put a damper on further shenanigan.

And for Soros to stay the out of this.

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Glad they didn't bow to the mob and just went with the facts.

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Whoa...

EMAIL: Missouri Democratic Governor ORDERED National Guard To Stand Down During Ferguson Riots

Hey let Ferguson burn... he's toast.

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Given the high bar for civil rights charges (and the lack of evidence against the officer) I can't say that I'm surprised.

 
   
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Not really. When you think about it, historically sending National Guard (or any armed force) into these situations has always been extremely risky. Kent State. The Chicago Riots. What looks worse? A riot in the streets. Or National Guard gunning people down in the streets? Cause the later can happen very easily for numerous reasons. Then you're risking an even bigger riot on your hands.

I think sending them in or not sending them in are both valid choices. Both outcomes are exceptionally dicey. The rioters weren't going Rwanda on anyone, so I think it's not necessarily wrong to let them 'riot themselves out.'

   
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 LordofHats wrote:

Not really. When you think about it, historically sending National Guard (or any armed force) into these situations has always been extremely risky. Kent State. The Chicago Riots. What looks worse? A riot in the streets. Or National Guard gunning people down in the streets? Cause the later can happen very easily for numerous reasons. Then you're risking an even bigger riot on your hands.

I think sending them in or not sending them in are both valid choices. Both outcomes are exceptionally dicey. The rioters weren't going Rwanda on anyone, so I think it's not necessarily wrong to let them 'riot themselves out.'



Agreed... If Ferguson had gone to LA Riot levels, then obviously the Nat. Guard would be fairly necessary
   
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Yes. You can't control a riot (that's kind of why it's a riot). You can only let it burn itself out or pummel it into submission.

   
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 LordofHats wrote:


Not really. When you think about it, historically sending National Guard (or any armed force) into these situations has always been extremely risky. Kent State. The Chicago Riots. What looks worse? A riot in the streets. Or National Guard gunning people down in the streets? Cause the later can happen very easily for numerous reasons. Then you're risking an even bigger riot on your hands.

I think sending them in or not sending them in are both valid choices. Both outcomes are exceptionally dicey. The rioters weren't going Rwanda on anyone, so I think it's not necessarily wrong to let them 'riot themselves out.'

Disagree... the Ferguson Mayor ASKED for them to be deployed in Ferguson.

We ALL knew what was going to happen.

It won't play well here...

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If the Major wants to be able decide when the national guard should be deployed then maybe he can run for governor.
   
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I tend to find mayors lack any sense of judgement. One mayor refuses to activate the emergency plan for a disastrous hurricane until it's too late. Another makes a constant enemy of his own police force. And yet another wants to call in the marines because he can't keep his own town under control.

Mayors are the stooges of politics Good only for a laugh

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What about mobilizing the Swiss Guard? Is the major Catholic?
   
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 d-usa wrote:
What about mobilizing the Swiss Guard? Is the major Catholic?


Maybe we can get the Pope to call a Crusade

   
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 Jihadin wrote:
National Guard Army units. Only closest USMC unit would be their recruiting battalion assigned for that district. Think the last thing everyone wants are Marine Recruiters showing up to look for recruits


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 Jihadin wrote:
National Guard Army units. Only closest USMC unit would be their recruiting battalion assigned for that district. Think the last thing everyone wants are Marine Recruiters showing up to look for recruits


"Oh, I see you like carrying a gun and burning things down. How about a job where you do nothing but blow gak up with your buddies?"


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 whembly wrote:

Disagree... the Ferguson Mayor ASKED for them to be deployed in Ferguson.

We ALL knew what was going to happen.

It won't play well here...


As a relative newcomer to STL, I realize my opinion doesn't count for much, but I think your opinion reeks of optimism.

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Whelp. It's cold as hell right now, should prevent some rioting at least right?

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 LordofHats wrote:
You can't control a riot


Yes you can, you use traditional British methods (that are sadly out of favour in Britain)

1. Read a copy of the riot act
2. Wait one hour
3. Shoot the ring leaders
4. Bayonet charge the rest
5. Profit.

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 marv335 wrote:
 LordofHats wrote:
You can't control a riot


Yes you can, you use traditional British methods (that are sadly out of favour in Britain)

1. Read a copy of the riot act
2. Wait one hour
3. Shoot the ring leaders
4. Bayonet charge the rest
5. Profit.



Nah that just leads to tea parties that aren't really parties and rebellious colonies

   
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 marv335 wrote:
 LordofHats wrote:
You can't control a riot


Yes you can, you use traditional British methods (that are sadly out of favour in Britain)

1. Read a copy of the riot act
2. Wait one hour
3. Shoot the ring leaders
4. Bayonet charge the rest
5. Profit.



Thats why Mother Russia is superior! They skip #1 and #2 and go directly to Cossack Cavalry Charge.

Traditionally in the South riots were either penned into a small area t let it burn out, or the sheriffs went in with shotguns. Neither tactic was designed to rioter friendly.
Depending on the state and the time the ringleaders often would meet up with the KKK shortly.* Thankfully those days are gone.

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 LordofHats wrote:
Yes. You can't control a riot (that's kind of why it's a riot). You can only let it burn itself out or pummel it into submission.


But you can deploy a very visible and powerful force and preempt the riot from kicking off to begin with, or at least have force present in areas you want to keep the riot from moving into and destroying. I suspect the local business owners were kind of hoping to see the gov't at whatever level not allow their businesses to be looted and burnt. A NG presence before the rioting started could very well have helped.

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 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Given the high bar for civil rights charges (and the lack of evidence against the officer) I can't say that I'm surprised.


This right here. They barely had the evidence to try to get a grand jury indictment. Civil Rights Violation charges are even harder to prove, so anyone with a modicum of sense shouldn't have expected anything out of DOJ.

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So the protesters have all packed up and gone home by now I assume?

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I suspect the local business owners were kind of hoping to see the gov't at whatever level not allow their businesses to be looted and burnt.


I'm sure people like walking down the street without being shot. Leaving home without being robbed. Having National Guard on every street corner would reduce all that stuff too. It's not the governments job to save everyone from everything. A key aspect of governance is prudence. Any prudent examination of any riot makes it kind of obvious that "send in the troops" can easily be just as disastrous as it is helpful.

A NG presence before the rioting started could very well have helped.


Our political system makes no provisions for "well there might be some unspecified incident at some unspecified time that might make the NG useful to have around."

Really, this whole line of thought reeks to me of "I don't like police states where armed troops can just march down the street on a whim except when it suits my fancy that armed troops march down the street on a whim" mixed with a healthy dose of hindsight.

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