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Went down to GW last night for a quick game. Got paired up against a guy who i knew was notorious for being "that guy".

I've played him before and he ran 3 Tervigons at 500pts in 6th edition. He's taken 3 Wraithknights unbound in a 750pt tournament. I've seen him run apocalypse formations at 1500pts against beginners.

Last night I played him at 750pts as I only had an hour. I ran a fairly uncompetitive, bound Tau army as I wanted to test out darkstrider. After asking me what army i was using he wrote a list with an imperial knight and 2 squads of sternguard with one sergeant as the warlord.

Before the game started he refused to tell me what he had in reserves although i suspected it was marines in a pod. He spent the whole game trying to use his knight as a monstrous creature then called me picky when I corrected him. He then tried to tell me that my Riptide was a walker and had to obey the same rules as his knight.

I played it through and I was picky towards him cause if he's gonna run a knight and unbound list at 750 i think he deserves it but short of constantly just refusing to play him is there anything i can do without stooping to his level? If not should the game be changed to prevent this type of behaviour?

Sorry this is mostly just a big rant but I'm sick of his attitude.

Don't play him at all. If no one plays him he will leave.

Don't tell him your list, or have him show you his list as well to prevent list tailoring. Tell him he is not fun to play against and dont play him again.

Taffy17 wrote:
... but short of constantly just refusing to play him...

There's your answer right there, though. If you don't enjoy playing against him, don't.

If enough people do that, he'll eventually either change his ways or move on to a different hobby.

Nor really if you are playing "The complete rules as written", but pointing out that you will not play against a cheater is a start. As for the "refusing to tell you about his reserves", read pg 135 in the big rulebook, this tells him that he has to specify what his reserves look like. Also, Apocalypse formations are not ok in regular games, if he does that, call him out. Make sure to have your rules ready to show him things like "the Riptide is not a Walker", and continue to be picky. I would continue to call his bogus out.

You could try to implement a set of house rules, that are comparable to tournament rules where you play and simply say "I play against people who follow X and Y" (Only CAD+Ally for example). If everyone does it, he will have no choice but to change his ways around. As far as I have heard this is a bigger problem at GW stores than FLGS, since GW stores are about selling products and using things "As is" and not modifying it. I would refuse to play against him, if he does not get games, he will be gone after or change after a short time.

Taffy17 wrote:
... is there anything i can do without stooping to his level? If not should the game be changed to prevent this type of behaviour?

Sorry this is mostly just a big rant but I'm sick of his attitude.

To be honest - just don't play with him. Don't feed the troll. Trust me, it is better to have one person to play less than to struggle with That Guys. And you may think of it as it won't change anything, but truth is that "Many a mickle makes a muckle" - if other people will get your attitude towards him and he'll have no one to play with, then either he will change or dissapear from your hobby centre.

Just tell him he can only play bound with no LOWs.
That and to read the rule book.

to repeat what others have said don't play him. Tell him to learn the rules or he won't be played against. I've dealt a lot with this kind of player in my time with various tabletop games. They don't learn except the hard way and even then they usually won't.

Taffy17 wrote:
I've played him before and he ran 3 Tervigons at 500pts in 6th edition.

Using the 6th edition codex? Not even close to legal. Minimum 705 points.
Using the 5th edition codex? Not even close to legal. Minimum 530 points.

After asking me what army i was using he wrote a list with an imperial knight and 2 squads of sternguard with one sergeant as the warlord.

Knight + 2 minimum squads of sternguard + a pod means only 100 points left for extra dudes and toys.

I played it through and I was picky towards him cause if he's gonna run a knight and unbound list at 750 i think he deserves it but short of constantly just refusing to play him is there anything i can do without stooping to his level? If not should the game be changed to prevent this type of behaviour?

How should the game be changed to prevent cheating?

For me, no gaming is preferable to bad gaming. People like that aren't worth the hassle and the less people play him, the sooner he and his smelly neckbeard gets ostracised.

In every hobby, there will be TFG. Just don't play with them, or make it very apparent that their lack of rules/play style/whatever simply does not jive with your view of the game.

First off guy sounds like a dumbass
But you dont sound that much better riptide in that low a points game is bordering on a bit of cheese in my opinion unless you took it because he took a knight.

So how many marker lights did you take?
How many smart missle systems did you have ?
Tau is a very over powered army and its very hard not to spam something with tau.

So what did you have in your army? And did you show him your list before hand or just say I am taking tau because I know a few people who's first thoughts would be "oo great pointless game wonder what is spamed this time".

But it did sound like he was trying to cheat a bit with the rules but then tau just throw the rule book away lol. :p.

Avoid power gamers unless you want to try an overpowered list or you want a massive challenge

Please don't conflate "power gaming" with cheating... fielding illegal lists and using the rules incorrectly isn't power gaming, it's cheating. Flat out.

I actually don't have a TFG in my LFGS!

 insaniak wrote:

Taffy17 wrote:
... but short of constantly just refusing to play him...

There's your answer right there, though. If you don't enjoy playing against him, don't.

If enough people do that, he'll eventually either change his ways or move on to a different hobby.

Twosed!

I can't really recommend anything, because we don't have "that guy" in our area. I can only say that not playing him seems like the best option.
I suppose the closest we've got is a guy who has a all 30k army with horus (all beautify painted by him)


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But he's never a dick about it.

 Matthew wrote:
I actually don't have a TFG in my LFGS!

In my LGS, I'm probably the closest one to TFG status.
And by that I mean I use optimized lists. I'm currently teaching a SM player how to 40k.
He went from fielding Vanguard Vets to running invisible grav centurions!

No one runs optimized lists in GW stores except me...

"I've seen him run apocalypse formations at 1500pts against beginners."

Nope nope nope nope nope.

Shouldn't have happened period. best be talking to your FLG or area group to stifle this kinda behavior quick.

Make a nice code of conduct and get EVERYONE to agree. if he doesn't want to play it that way then he will have no one to play with.

 Verviedi wrote:
He went from fielding Vanguard Vets to running invisible grav centurions!

No one runs optimized lists in GW stores except me...

I´d say invisible Grav Centurions ( presumably in a deathstar since they´re invisible ) isn´t optimized, it´s more along the lines of "abusing the most broken combination you can come up with in the game."

Regarding the OP, I also haven´t met a true TFG myself, yet. In my country it is heavily against culture to act like that anyway, you´d be a social outcast in an instant with whom anyone would be embarrased to be seen with. I guess that alone cuts it back quite a bit. In general people also talk very directly and on point here, to your face, so a person like that would probably have to deal with a lot of gak on a daily basis if he went around acting like you describe.

I always kinda dream about having backup armies with me that completely crush these kind of guys. But it´ll never be a reality, as I don´t wish to use that much money just to put some random douchebag back in his corner, and dragging 4 armies with you would be a drag in itself.

"I´m gonna play 3 Knights against you."

"Ah, glad I brought my 30 Unbound singular Obliterators/Haywire-spam/something equally ridicilous."

TFG sadface, me gusta.

10penceman wrote:
First off guy sounds like a dumbass
But you dont sound that much better riptide in that low a points game is bordering on a bit of cheese in my opinion unless you took it because he took a knight.

So how many marker lights did you take?
How many smart missle systems did you have ?
Tau is a very over powered army and its very hard not to spam something with tau.

So what did you have in your army? And did you show him your list before hand or just say I am taking tau because I know a few people who's first thoughts would be "oo great pointless game wonder what is spamed this time".

But it did sound like he was trying to cheat a bit with the rules but then tau just throw the rule book away lol. :p.

Avoid power gamers unless you want to try an overpowered list or you want a massive challenge

Not much better than a dumbass? Thanks

I do run a riptide but he has fusions and no FNP as i figured FNP on a riptide is a bit much. I also had Longstrike so I did have my share of cheese. I only had one squad of 5 Pathfinders and one lot of smart missiles on Longstrike's hammerhead. I also had two squads of fire warriors, one with EMPs outflanking with Darkstrider who i was testing out.

I didn't show him my list but my local GW has a lot of regulars and most people only have 2 or 3 armies and everyone knows what everyone plays so he knew that I'd probably bring my Tau. I don't have more than one unit of anything normally other than Firewarriors and Pathfinders, so I don't really spam.

Thanks for the replies guys. I'll try and avoid being paired up with him again and if I do end up against him I'll insist on him being bound

What is wrong with telling people they are A holes? Or be nice and say "You are that Fing Guy."

Be honest. Why does someone have to do your work? You are grown up, so tell the person the truth. Maybe he doesn't realize his attitude. Why not give him the chance to change? If he doesn't realize he is TFG, how can he change.

If you tell him and he still doesn't change, do you really want to "play" with him? (I still get a kick, us grown men have to ask to Play. ) We are grown ups or most of us. Even if you are in your Teens, teens think of themselves as grown up as well, so talk to him.

If he doesn't change, then he is a person who is not worth playing with. So the power is in your hands.

 n0t_u wrote:
Don't play him at all. If no one plays him he will leave.

This is the best answer to such folks really

Davor wrote:
What is wrong with telling people they are A holes? Or be nice and say "You are that Fing Guy."

Be honest. Why does someone have to do your work? You are grown up, so tell the person the truth. Maybe he doesn't realize his attitude. Why not give him the chance to change? If he doesn't realize he is TFG, how can he change.

If you tell him and he still doesn't change, do you really want to "play" with him? (I still get a kick, us grown men have to ask to Play. ) We are grown ups or most of us. Even if you are in your Teens, teens think of themselves as grown up as well, so talk to him.

If he doesn't change, then he is a person who is not worth playing with. So the power is in your hands.

I'm not asking anyone to do my work for me, i'm not saying anyone including myself should do something, i'm just wondering if anyone can provide me with a mature solution.

I'm in my 20s and he's an old man who's very stubborn from my experience. Sounds like the solution is not to let him waste my time.

I'm waiting for Peregrine to come in and say how we shouldn't be depriving this guy of his idea of fun just because you want to play a bad army list.

Why isn't the 40k community more active in policing douche-canoes like the OPs opponent. Just refuse to play him and in no uncertain terms spell it out to him that he's a total ORCNOB-head.

You don't 'owe' anyone a game, least of all a WAAC twit like that guy.

Taffy17 wrote:

Davor wrote:
What is wrong with telling people they are A holes? Or be nice and say "You are that Fing Guy."

Be honest. Why does someone have to do your work? You are grown up, so tell the person the truth. Maybe he doesn't realize his attitude. Why not give him the chance to change? If he doesn't realize he is TFG, how can he change.

If you tell him and he still doesn't change, do you really want to "play" with him? (I still get a kick, us grown men have to ask to Play. ) We are grown ups or most of us. Even if you are in your Teens, teens think of themselves as grown up as well, so talk to him.

If he doesn't change, then he is a person who is not worth playing with. So the power is in your hands.

I'm not asking anyone to do my work for me, i'm not saying anyone including myself should do something, i'm just wondering if anyone can provide me with a mature solution.

I'm in my 20s and he's an old man who's very stubborn from my experience. Sounds like the solution is not to let him waste my time.

I wasn't sure when you said "If the game should be changed" I thought you wanted the rules changed or something like that. That is why I made the "do it yourself comment"

I suggest talk to him. Doesn't matter that he is older. If he is stubborn that is his problem not yours. If his stubbornness prevents you from playing him, then it's all on him, not on you. If he doesn't want to change, don't let him waste your time. If you don't want to talk to him, (understandable, never know if the guy will go bonkers) just do a polite "No thankyou". If he asks why, then just say why. You don't like list tailoring. You don't like his stubbornness and if he keeps up, just say you are becoming That Guy nobody likes to play against and that he has offended you and you don't want to play him no more since he will not change.

We can condemn the op's opponent for cheating, we can't really condemn him for gw's terrible stewardship of this terrible game we play: IE jervis et al paving the way for this [particular brand of "having fun".

Clearly you should bang his wife, mother, sisters (of age!!) and even his grandmother, if she's a hot enough gilf. Pull no punches. Donkey punches, that is.

next time you play him first ask him to hold something for you real quick.....

 dementedwombat wrote:
I'm waiting for Peregrine to come in and say how we shouldn't be depriving this guy of his idea of fun just because you want to play a bad army list.

If his only "crime" was bringing Knights at low points, there's nothing wrong.

This guy, however, actually cheats as well - which is a problem.