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It's early in the life of N3 & obviously things are going to be different.

How do we all feel about changes to the Yu Jing Japanese Sectorial Army & how the new rules will affect them?

With more attention focused on vanilla Yu Jing it seems JSA won't be getting anything remarkably new in the new edition.

Will those of us pulling for the oppressed Japanese have to wait till Acheron Fallsto see some fresh units for JSA?

They're awfully one dimensional as it stands. If you're looking to field a flexible roster with variety, the JSA pure assault based sectorial doesn't seem to be a good choice right now.

I don't think existing sectorials will get much, if anything, in Acheron Falls.

And I think JSA are actually in a pretty good place? Particularly for ITS, plenty of specialists, and they are actually viable in CC now! I don't agree that they're one dimensional, plenty of variety in the list: motorbikes, TO camo infiltrators, heavy infantry, robots, a TAG.

I mean cmon, we have a Ninja with a bow! What more do you want?!

The JSA will probably see a few more model releases to fill out options and maybe update some of the older models, but as it is they're quite complete.

They're perhaps a bit more restricted than other sectorials in what they do, but they have lots of legitimately good options, and that's the trade off with all the sectorials, i.e. vanilla Ariadna is all camo all the time, whereas Caledonia likes to run at people and hit them and horde it up, and the FRRM likes to sit back and skirmish and can capitalize on the cheapest infiltrating camo units in the game, but neither can camo like vanilla, Caledonia loses a lot of specialists and has few really good ranged units, and the FRRM loses out on AP weapons and close combat capacity.

The JSA trades the incredibly flexibility of Yu-Jing for the ability to murder just about anyone in close combat with what are, on average, quite durable troops. Almost everyone's got a decent armour and BTS save, good mobility, and the prevalence of chain weapons means camo doesn't bother you overly much. Ninja are also superb skirmishers, I've seen Ninja snipers pick off HMGs and the like in short order, allowing a level of chopping which would make Orks green-er with envy. I also know that killing those few ranged units the JSA relies on means the army tends to fall apart right-quick, but that's the risk.

Should be more flexible with the Ninja buffs and the hacker being brought down to a reasonable price. Not that they had a problem in the first place, the Aragoto hacker and spitfire were really good in N2. They already had multiple builds like Biker gang, HI horde or all camo (much better with Ninja and Raiden changes). JSA even has a unique TAG with Koalas, and most of there stuff was discounted for Frenzy/Impetuous in N2. The idea that they are a one-dimensional assault army is bunk even more so now that everything is priced more cheaply; Haramaki for 22 pt lolwut?

The Yojimbo pt. decrease makes no sense to me. He was already one of the few models that was excellent in CC in N2 now he's better and cheaper. Who care if he can't get cover he sits in a cloud of smoke most of the game anyways and now with the silhouette changes you can fake out his deployment with a Lu Duan REM.

Yojimbo is silly. He's on a silent motorcycle.

JSA is more than fine.

 ImAGeek wrote:
I don't think existing sectorials will get much, if anything, in Acheron Falls.

Pretty much this. CB have said they consider the sectorials from Human Sphere complete, with the exception of gap filling releases or potentially a new release using a new rule that particularly suits them.

Drawing from Haqqislam, examples of a gap filling release are the Govads from N3 who added MSV's to Hassassin Bahram, a very obvious gap in their toolset. An example of adding a rule that suits a unit would be the way the Odalisques got a couple of new small arms profiles in Paradiso, including Haris as it fit their theme of bodyguards. Also Muyibs getting a Heavy Rocket Launcher in Paradiso as it fit their theme of blow up all the things.

This is basically what future support for current sectorials will be.

 Knight wrote:
Yojimbo is silly. He's on a silent motorcycle.

It's electric.
And being hubless and doubtless with a "frictionless" magnetic bearing/drive operation, it's not like he can put cards in the spokes to make he pbpbpbpbpbbpbpbpbpbpbpbtt sounds.

Stand by a electric car, or a hybrid in electric mode, and you'll realize that electric vehicles can be incredibly quiet.

Heck, most gasoline cars these days are also very quiet due to advances in engines and fuel efficiency improvements. Manufacturers are having to add back in engine noise artificially to appeal to those types that like it.

Apparently, even TAGs are supposed to be very quiet, with zero-noise motors and stuff.

The loudest thing about them is the heat-exchange units...

... as well as that great big HMC!

 Vertrucio wrote:
Stand by a electric car, or a hybrid in electric mode, and you'll realize that electric vehicles can be incredibly quiet.

Heck, most gasoline cars these days are also very quiet due to advances in engines and fuel efficiency improvements. Manufacturers are having to add back in engine noise artificially to appeal to those types that like it.

I have hard time believing my opponent is going to allow it, should I try this stunt with Jotum, Squalo or his Aragoto.