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Hey guys, new to the silver robot death machines but an old hand at 40k.

I am looking to build an 1850 tournament list for use here in Australia.

We have an unusual comp set up down under - the link is here....http://www.communitycomp.org/

I am limited to 14 credits for the list due to the event standard locally. What that basically means is that spamming units is often difficult to do (I can only get 3, maybe 4 night/doom scythes in the list for example) and most of the super builds (Orikan DS, Scarab Farm etc) are al but impossible to play.

At this stage, I am looking at a Decurion using a reclamation legion and likely a royal court in the hopes of building a mini Orikan star using swordguard and a couple of 3+ characters (since multiple 2+ characters get hurt by comp).

I am intrigued by the living tomb and praetorian formations - how do you find those when used? Are monoliths any good? I can think of a few trisky things but with no practical experience I am not sure. What about the Ctan? Better with the mepherit dynasty rules for the formation?

Any help or light you can shed greatly appreciated!

I missed them being fearless! Do you run them in max units for the formation or something smaller? Rod or Blades?

What about the stalkers? just a single or run 3? which weapon on them?

Its an interesting list Zimko!

For those that commented on the comp - yep, it can be a pain for sure!

Has anyone got any experience with the obelisk?

I am warming to the idea of the Judicator battalion with 2x10 praetorians and the single (or maybe 2) stalkers with gauss

Requizen wrote:
The War Convocation includes an Oathsworn Detachment, which is 1-3 Knights (no extra rules). While you can run it with 3 Knights, that would stop them from taking any allied Drop Pods. I think most of them are 1 Knight with allied Flesh Tearers for Drop Pods. You could conceivably see 3 Knight War Convos, but the rest of the army would be pretty weak/ineffective.

This is not correct - Its a single Knight only from memory - need to find the WD now...

So it does! I never see it with more than 1 knight simply due to the taxes on the rest of the force!

Has anyone tried a flayed one style list - by this I mean taking 60+ flayed ones as part of a Decurion and infiltrating them up close. Supported by the reclamation legion I think it could work quite well - at least on paper!

I am in the process of building my first Decurion within the restrictions of my local format.

At this stage its a Decurion built using the legion and a Harvest.

Is it worth adding ghost arks to the warriors in the legion? What about the immortals? 5 to keep it cheap or do they need a night scythe and or 10 bodies?

What about the lord? Barge or foot and if foot - where does he go?

The necron book seems to have so many good choices...

Requizen wrote:
I feel like no vehicles are currently viable save for Flyers, and even then in a limited sense of 2 max. Possibly one could make an argument for an Obelisk if one was so inclined.

Foot soldiers are the way to go. In fact, cheap foot soldiers in MSU work the best in my book, just flood out more than they can kill thanks to RP. I'm actually coming around to Praetorians being viable alongside or even in lieu of Wraiths just because it's more units to split fire and overwhelm the board. As none of our Deathstars are currently working save for Wraiths + DLord, I would say MSU is the way to go, whether it's a Decurion or not.

What about the lychguard star?

The lychstar is insanely killy every time I see it and mobility is a non issue thanks to night scythes and or obyron/veil.

Its hardly slow - its the same speed as every other infantry unit - it will catch things that try to run away!

 skoffs wrote:
The reason why you wouldn't do that is because it's not a very good idea...

How so? Sure they are expensive but with god shackles on a night bringer, deep striking the transcendents and the deceiver trickery, it could be good for laugh! Even semi competitive pending the powers rolled each turn.

No - you are just being an obtuse troll at this point since it's clear to everyone what the rule says and GW have confirmed it.

Play it how you like but do us all a favour and leave it alone. No one is buying your interpretation

Ok, getting back on topic - I am presently trying to write an 1850 list for a team event locally and keep hitting road blocks... mainly due to the limits imposed on the way you build armies due to comp...

I am having to think outside the usual Decurion builds.

Star Gods - any good?

I wrote this list which meets all the requirements but have no idea if its any good...

Decurion. (Reclamation Legion, Annihilation Nexus, Flayed Ones)

Overlord, War scythe
5 Immortals, Gauss, Night Scythe
10 Warriors, Ghost Ark
10 Warriors, Ghost Ark
3 Tomb Blades, Gauss, Shields
12 Flayed Ones
2 Annihilation Barges, tesla
Doomsday Ark

Conclave of the Burning One
Night Bringer
Cryptek (God Shackle)
Cryptek (Chronometron, Veil)

1841 total.

Does this look any good?

The mephrit dynasty has nothing forbidding using the standard relics that I can see?

Why is the nexus bad? I saw it as relatively cheap, Av13, decent fire power. I am not fussed on the whole hand back quantum shielding - this just seemed a good way to add fire power to the army.

The comp rules are the Australian Community Comp - http://communitycomp.org/

Its long and fairly complex (that's a lie - its hugely complex!) but essentially I have 14 credits to spend... and every list I write breaks 20 easy...

As an example, Orikan costs 4 credits and for every 2+save character he CAN join (not does - just can) its another 3 credits. Zandrek? add 2 more. In a Decurion - 3 more! The standard deathstars are basically unplayable.

You can get 6-8 wraiths max in this format typically, and things like the solar staff are heavily comped as well - 3 for the staff alone!

Flyers get hit hard as well with each one costing more than the last (night scythes are 0-2-4-6-8-etc while the doom scythes are 1-3-5-7-etc).

The only saving grace is that EVERY list is hit in similar ways - a WKnight for example starts at 5 credits with the sword and its 3 more for the D cannons. Just the chance to roll for invisibility (as in you are allowed to take it) is 8 credits!

So the typical power builds are not really in play - and you have to be creative in list building and play style!

Ah - cool. Missed that! Thanks for the heads up!

Every list I write seems to really lack ranged fire support - is that just a necron thing?

Am I the only one who misses the fact you can't have veil and shackles in the conclave with the night bringer at the same time anymore?

Do the shackles have to be in the same detachment as the Ctan?

Could you run a mephrit royal court or CAD with a cryptek with shackles and affect the Conclave while it has veil?

Slayer-Fan123 wrote:
Nemesor definitely can't do that, as otherwise everyone would be infiltrating everything.

He can as it stands repick his starting trait though the question is valid. He can't confer infiltrate though so I have no idea what this reference is all about...

Sadly with the FAQ on thunderblitz, if the spheres can't rotate to along the hull for fire arcs, the thing is useless