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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/28 23:31:36
Subject: How would a newer chapter obtain older equipment?
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Apprehensive Inquisitorial Apprentice
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So I was thinking about the fluff for my homebrew chapter, and wasn't sure about some details so I figured I would come here and ask about them. Sorry if this is the wrong place or something doesn't make sense.
So first off, if a chapter receives heavy losses performing some valiant deed, would it be unheard of for its parent chapter(Imperial Fists in this case) to send equipment, including Horus Heresy era equipment such as older armor marks and dreadnoughts, as a sort of reward/ care package? How about temporary reinforcements to aid in the training of new recruits and maintaining order in whatever region the successor chapter is in charge of?
Also related to older stuff (Yeah I'm just looking for a reasonable excuse for having Forgeworld toys in my army), if some marines trip over a weapons cache or something and finds archeotech inside, does the AdMech get first dibs after making sure that its not corrupted by chaos or something else, or can they keep the goodies?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/28 23:41:12
Subject: How would a newer chapter obtain older equipment?
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Is 'Eavy Metal Calling?
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It seems as good a justification as any, especially the first part. On the Founding of a new Chapter they would likely be handed out a few relics and rare items from their parent Chapter, and I imagine it wouldn't be unlikely for further presentations to take place in honour of great deeds or dire need. So in that regard, it's perfectly fine for you to have the rarer goodies in your Successor force.
As for the second bit, that all depends on how the Chapter and Ad Mech get on. For example, BA and DA really don't like the cog-worshippers, and would hesitate to hand over anything they found, while the Iron Hands for example would be far more likely to hand it over (probably with some manner of exhange). IF themselves would likely do the same, I think, but a Successor might well keep it for themselves if they are a little less dogmatic.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/28 23:49:31
Subject: How would a newer chapter obtain older equipment?
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
Norway
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Not at all, and such chapters are likely to poffer much equipment to their new descendants. Plus wear and tear can take its toll, your chapter can have conservative Techmarines, which means they favor the old tech.
Temporarily reinforcements should normally be that, but the Imperial Fists has many world to recruit from so I would suspect that it would soon be a way to get them out of the collective hairs of the Imperial Fists as you sort of have a narrow template for them, and you can easily set up your guys to somehow fail being too melancholic like the chapter tend to be and thereby they were elected to go there.
If the Marines should find something like this they are likely to let their Techmarines go nuts before they alert anyone else. I'm working on a similar story in my own fluff there, though it has a whole other twist to it. Then they report the findings to the ADMech. Can be a very interesting story-line added there. Especially with AdMech always wanting nice toys.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/28 23:54:40
Subject: How would a newer chapter obtain older equipment?
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Pragmatic Primus Commanding Cult Forces
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I don't think they would be handed out items from their parent Chapter at the Founding, as Founding is all done by the High Lords of Terra and the Mechanicus. The parent Chapter is not involved anywhere in the equipment process afaik. They do often send one or two Marines to oversee the training and settlement of the new Chapter though. Sometimes the first Chapter Master of a new Chapter will be selected from its parent Chapter, but otherwise such appointments are very temporary. That said, SM Chapters do exchange gifts, so a 'new' Chapter could be presented with a sacred relic such as old marks of armour if it earned the respect of an old Chapter. For mk.5 and below it would have to be a gift from a 1st or 2nd Founding Chapter. The other marks of armour are still in production. (mk.4 is also still in production, but only with the Iron Hands and Red Scorpions afaik)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/29 00:02:09
Subject: How would a newer chapter obtain older equipment?
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
Norway
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That's the political aspects of the founding. I thought the details were left to the chapter, and can explain why people are sent away like forever from their parent-chapter.
They sent multiple guys, often as much as a whole company I was informed. Or at least I was left to believe that.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/29 00:02:34
Subject: Re:How would a newer chapter obtain older equipment?
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Shas'ui with Bonding Knife
The Internet- where men are men, women are men, and kids are undercover cops
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Inter-chapter combat is hardly unheard of- and if you ask me, the best Imperial Armor books were the Badab War stuff. Your Chapter could have fulfilled, in the past, the role the Carcharodons have been called on (and that the High Lord stooges the Minotaurs do now)- knocking off a Chapter of Space Marines that have become inconvenient to Imperial policy.
They also could have "come to the rescue" of a Chapter that was already destroyed and appropriated their gear.
They could also go the Blood Magpie route and just like stealing things.
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Jon Garrett wrote:Perhaps not technically a Marine Chapter anymore, but the Flame Falcons would be pretty creepy to fight.
"Boss, we waz out lookin' for grub when some of them Spice Marines showed up and shot all the lads."
"Right. Well, did you at least use the burnas?"
"We tried, but the gits was already on fire."
"...Kunnin'." |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/29 00:03:42
Subject: Re:How would a newer chapter obtain older equipment?
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Fresh-Faced Inquisitorial Acolyte
United States
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There is also the possibility of you chapter finding stuff. Space hulks filled with armaments lost in the warp. A great battle to reclaim an old battlefield from chaos or xenos forces and then your chapter takes up the old armor to honor the dead from the previous battle. Discovering another chapter's heresy and the Ad Mech gifts your chapter with all of the previous chapters relics to be held in trust if they should ever return from the death crusade they have been sent on to regain their status. Your chapter could come across a once lost forge world that has never been given newer specs and has been making a bunch of outdated designs for thousands of years waiting for terra to come and collect it's tithe. It's space fantasy, come up with something that sounds cool and go with it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/29 00:08:14
Subject: How would a newer chapter obtain older equipment?
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Pragmatic Primus Commanding Cult Forces
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An easy explanation would indeed be that your chapter found a derelict pre-Heresy Strike Cruiser that had been lost in the Warp and is filled with all kinds of relics.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/29 01:46:09
Subject: How would a newer chapter obtain older equipment?
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Confessor Of Sins
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The AdMech does like claiming everything tech, but they can't strongarm everyone. Marines in particular are very valuable assets so depriving them of someting that makes them more effective will have to come with a good reason. If it's just guns and wargear it's not likely to be a good enough reason to claim it.
Besides, the sort of goodies marines would even find useful are usually already known to the AdMech. Even a rare old tank pattern is probably something they could produce given time and materials. They might be more interested in the ship/base the stuff was found in and any logs that could be recovered. Deals could ofc be made - trade part of the loot to the AdMech for access to technical training and spare parts relevant to using the rest. It all depends on the situation.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/01/30 07:20:28
Subject: Re:How would a newer chapter obtain older equipment?
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Apprehensive Inquisitorial Apprentice
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Thanks for the help guys  . Got plenty of new ideas now!
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