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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/02 02:47:49
Subject: Necron spider/beast list - feasible?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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I'm thinking of attempting a mini necron force (mini-ish, anyway) of spiders and multi-legged things. Mostly cos I think it would look cool. Not sure its totally feasible though, and definitely fails in the Troops choice department unfortunately :( but still, here are the things im thinking of:
HQ
Illuminor Szeras (cos he is the only appropriate HQ I can see haha)
Troops
Nothing useful, so probably MSU immortals.
Elites
Triarch Stalkers
Tomb Stalker ( fw)
Fast attack
Canoptek Wraiths
Canoptek Acanthrites ( fw)
Scarabs? (THough I can spawn some with spyders i think...)
Heavy Support
Canoptek Spyders
Basic theme being that everything in the army has lots of legs, or is a beast, general monstrousness, etc. Not sure how viable it might be, but it would look pretty cool lol.
Any ideas or suggestions to help me would be nice
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/02 12:18:31
Subject: Necron spider/beast list - feasible?
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Stealthy Grot Snipa
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Reasonably easily you could give all the immortals 4 legs. I used a spyders legs to create an ork conversion with a necron 4 legged feel.
I mean you'd have to get all the legs which could be costly dependant on how you source them, whether you have spares already. In terms of viability, the wraith formation;
1 spyder
1 unit of wraiths (min 3 models)
1 unit of scarabs
its a pretty deadly formation and would give you the FA and HS you've mentioned. Have a look athe the formations, I think the wraith formation plus a CAD to bring szeras, the troops and your stalker is a good bet.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/02 18:48:18
Subject: Necron spider/beast list - feasible?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Hmm, I took a look through the formations and I didnt notice one which was just those units, the ones I noticed tended to include a bunch of other stuff I didnt want lol. I'll have to take a closer look, unless its from some other supplement I dont have yet?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/02 18:58:23
Subject: Necron spider/beast list - feasible?
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
Netherlands
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You could still take a Combined Arms Detachment.
It's not like you really 'NEED' Formations.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/02 19:08:42
Subject: Necron spider/beast list - feasible?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Oh yeh I realise that, but if a handy formation exists it may help with foc slots etc, worth me looking at
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/02 19:15:06
Subject: Necron spider/beast list - feasible?
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
Netherlands
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You could always take the Canoptek Harvest, you're taking them anyway and it gives them some rules.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/02 19:46:10
Subject: Necron spider/beast list - feasible?
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Fresh-Faced New User
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if you take the Canoptek Harvest and have illuminor szeras near some Canoptek Harvest formations, they'll all have 4+++ RP. you could include a cryptek/lord carrying veil of darkness so you could deepstrike near your front line units to give them the RP bonus since you need to be within 6" to get it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/02 20:10:18
Subject: Necron spider/beast list - feasible?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Ahh, the canoptek harvest is one of the decurion things? I thought they could only be used in a decurion (as in with the mandatory HQ 'formation' etc).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/02 20:23:30
Subject: Necron spider/beast list - feasible?
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
Netherlands
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Yes, but 6 out of 9 from those slots are also Formations on their own.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/02 20:27:55
Subject: Necron spider/beast list - feasible?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Kangodo wrote:Yes, but 6 out of 9 from those slots are also Formations on their own.
Ahh, interesting, I shall take a look through.
Wraiths seem to be very good CC units, but how good are the spyders at the moment? Will I be able to field a decent list using this theme do you reckon?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/02 20:34:57
Subject: Necron spider/beast list - feasible?
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
Netherlands
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You can still make the list you wanted, with Illuminor, some Immortals, Triarchs, etc.
But for every 1 Spyder, 1 Scarab-unit and 1 Wraith-unit you could take the Canoptek Harvest.
The thing I am afraid off is that you might lack some shooting-power.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/02 20:38:41
Subject: Necron spider/beast list - feasible?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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What shooting units would you recommend? I dont think there are any appropriate ones, but this theme doesnt have to be 100% its just a thought.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/02 21:03:07
Subject: Necron spider/beast list - feasible?
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
Netherlands
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Not sure either, perhaps a Doomsday Ark with two AB's? Though that are a lot of points.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/02 21:23:17
Subject: Necron spider/beast list - feasible?
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Fixture of Dakka
Chicago, Illinois
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It's not really a tremendous amount of points for what you get.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/02 21:25:08
Subject: Necron spider/beast list - feasible?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Niiru wrote:What shooting units would you recommend? I dont think there are any appropriate ones, but this theme doesnt have to be 100% its just a thought.
Beamers on wraiths, guns on Spyders
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/02 21:47:52
Subject: Necron spider/beast list - feasible?
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
Netherlands
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Ah, that is good. Totally forget they could take those.
How many Beamers would you take on a unit of 6?
S4, AP2 with a chance of ID'ing is quite good.
It even allows them to auto-penetrate any vehicle if you roll a 6.
The Particle Beamer on the Spyder would prevent him from running, and you probably want him running so he can stay close to the Wraiths and Scarabs.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/02 21:53:30
Subject: Necron spider/beast list - feasible?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Kangodo wrote:Ah, that is good. Totally forget they could take those.
How many Beamers would you take on a unit of 6?
S4, AP2 with a chance of ID'ing is quite good.
It even allows them to auto-penetrate any vehicle if you roll a 6.
The Particle Beamer on the Spyder would prevent him from running, and you probably want him running so he can stay close to the Wraiths and Scarabs.
Well the formation spyder needs to keep up with the formation. But additional spyders could run guns and poop out scarabs.
If you run beamers on wraiths you want to run all beamers I think and go monster hunting.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/02 21:58:47
Subject: Necron spider/beast list - feasible?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Hmm, this is starting to sound like a fun project now haha. Maybe I'll start with a minimim-size force though. Possibly just the formation itself, as that is legal as-is i think in theory... though no warlord I guess. Hmm
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/02 22:07:54
Subject: Necron spider/beast list - feasible?
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
Netherlands
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Fully agree! Now that we have this sorted out, how about the HQ. I dislike Szeras, he adds nothing to the army. A Destroyer Lord fits the style better, though his model might be a bit 'lesser'. Luckily the internet can help: New Wraith: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Ilbfekke2_Q/USs7pR-sRQI/AAAAAAAAAPU/hwDxPg-sypE/s1600/Wraith+Destroyer+Lord+-+Right.jpg Old Wraith: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_VX0meFUrITA/SuXxKKFsN2I/AAAAAAAAAB4/-bb5fQxhwCU/s400/WraithLord.jpg Spyder: http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i307/Ravikal/2010-10-08190255-1.jpg With his Jet Pack he can move 6+ 2D6 per turn, just as fast as before. And with T6, 2+, 4++ and 5RP+ he is really durable and he can scare the gak out of enemies. Does that sound Canoptek enough?  He could even gain IWND. And most Traits really work nice on him. (Could he join Scarabs or anything? Or perhaps trade his Sv2+ for a Deep Strike to get those Wraiths close). Niiru wrote:Hmm, this is starting to sound like a fun project now haha. Maybe I'll start with a minimim-size force though. Possibly just the formation itself, as that is legal as-is i think in theory... though no warlord I guess. Hmm
Yes, it's fun  And since I own all of it, I might try it out myself! I will make a list and post it after school tomorrow, it will be 1500 points because that is what we play.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/02 22:14:13
Subject: Necron spider/beast list - feasible?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Kangodo wrote:Fully agree!
Now that we have this sorted out, how about the HQ.
I dislike Szeras, he adds nothing to the army.
A Destroyer Lord fits the style better, though his model might be a bit 'lesser'.
Luckily the internet can help:
New Wraith: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Ilbfekke2_Q/USs7pR-sRQI/AAAAAAAAAPU/hwDxPg-sypE/s1600/Wraith+Destroyer+Lord+-+Right.jpg
Old Wraith: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_VX0meFUrITA/SuXxKKFsN2I/AAAAAAAAAB4/-bb5fQxhwCU/s400/WraithLord.jpg
Spyder: http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i307/Ravikal/2010-10-08190255-1.jpg
With his Jet Pack he can move 6+ 2D6 per turn, just as fast as before.
And with T6, 2+, 4++ and 5RP+ he is really durable and he can scare the gak out of enemies.
Does that sound Canoptek enough?  He could even gain IWND.
And most Traits really work nice on him.
(Could he join Scarabs or anything? Or perhaps trade his Sv2+ for a Deep Strike to get those Wraiths close).
Niiru wrote:Hmm, this is starting to sound like a fun project now haha. Maybe I'll start with a minimim-size force though. Possibly just the formation itself, as that is legal as-is i think in theory... though no warlord I guess. Hmm
Yes, it's fun
And since I own all of it, I might try it out myself!
I will make a list and post it after school tomorrow, it will be 1500 points because that is what we play.
Ahh nice, as an ork player I am happy to convert myself a lord haha.
I'm even tempted to half-loot one of the necron units to pull double duty in my ork list. Counts-as deff dread or killa-kan, perhaps.
Post up the list on this thread if you can, or at least link to it, I'd be interested to see
Edit:
The only weapons on the Spyder is a single TL Particle Beamer... which isnt bad I guess. I do wonder why the spyder is floating, when it isnt a skimmer or anything... its just a MC. Why can't it be walking on its legs. It *is* a spider after all...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/03 09:21:56
Subject: Necron spider/beast list - feasible?
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
Netherlands
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My first idea, at 1491, with a CAD: + HQ + Destroyer Lord [Phase Shifter, Phylactery, The Nightmare Shroud, Warscythe] + Elites + Canoptek Tomb Stalker [FW] [Sepulchral Scarabs] + Troops + Immortals ··5x Immortal [5x Gauss Blaster] Immortals ··5x Immortal [5x Gauss Blaster] + Fast Attack + Canoptek Acanthrites [FW] [3x Canoptek Acanthrite] Canoptek Scarabs [9x Canoptek Scarab] + Heavy Support + Canoptek Spyders [Canoptek Spyder, Canoptek Spyder] ++ Necrons: Codex (2015) (Formation Detachment) ++ + Formation + Canoptek Harvest ··Canoptek Scarabs [6x Canoptek Scarab] ··Canoptek Spyders ····Canoptek Spyder [Gloom Prism] ··Canoptek Wraiths ····Canoptek Wraith [Transdimensional Beamer] ····Canoptek Wraith [Transdimensional Beamer] ····Canoptek Wraith [Transdimensional Beamer] ····Canoptek Wraith [Transdimensional Beamer] ····Canoptek Wraith [Whip Coils] ····Canoptek Wraith [Whip Coils]
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/03 15:43:33
Subject: Necron spider/beast list - feasible?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Nice, no triarch stalkers? They seem to be the only walkers with big weaponry that I noticed
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/03 16:18:31
Subject: Necron spider/beast list - feasible?
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
Netherlands
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They are vehicles and I tried to keep it Canoptek.
Otherwise I had to remove units that I felt were better in this theme.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/03 16:31:49
Subject: Necron spider/beast list - feasible?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Kangodo wrote:They are vehicles and I tried to keep it Canoptek.
Otherwise I had to remove units that I felt were better in this theme.
Ahh fair enough, I see what you mean
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