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just geting into 40k and got the deathstorm shield of baal boxset to start my tyrnaid army
want to start a small 1000 point army using the Phodian annihilation swarm formation in the book do you think it is any good to take or not?
and also how would you spend the rest of the 450 points to make it up to a 1000 point army that is fun to play.
i was thinking adding
Deathleaper as hq
3xtyranid warriors with deathspitters
12xhormagaunts
and a carnifex with 2x twin-linked devourer with brainleech worms
makes 1000 points
any good?

doidge wrote:
just geting into 40k and got the deathstorm shield of baal boxset to start my tyrnaid army
want to start a small 1000 point army using the Phodian annihilation swarm formation in the book do you think it is any good to take or not?
and also how would you spend the rest of the 450 points to make it up to a 1000 point army that is fun to play.
i was thinking adding
Deathleaper as hq
3xtyranid warriors with deathspitters
12xhormagaunts
and a carnifex with 2x twin-linked devourer with brainleech worms
makes 1000 points
any good?

It is not bad...but when you add things in you should look to add Synapse....I kinda like the Phodian Swarm, but it is seriously over kitted. The main saving grace is the Rawkin special rules.

I would look at building a "normal" Battle Forged CAD, and using the Swarm as a Formation, that will give you many more options, and make it easy to add more points later.

The Cheapest one that comes to mind is a Tervigon, with two Broods of x10 Termagants (from the Warth of the Hive mind for example)

Likely the very best would be a Winged Dakka'rant, with Electro Grubs, and two swarms of Tunneling Rippers...that would run...550 plus 90 plus 240...880? toss in three Biovores for 1000? I think I would toss in a Malanthrope, or a pair of Venothropes for extra Shrouding...if you use Mucolids, you might be able to fit in a Mawloc, plenty of options.

Hi thanks for all the info!
Well I want to use the models I have so would this be ok to play?
Winged hive dakka rant
4xwarriors with death spitters
12x hor Gants
8x geanstellers with brood lord
And 3x carnefex
With some sort of wepons ?

doidge wrote:
Hi thanks for all the info!
Well I want to use the models I have so would this be ok to play?
Winged hive dakka rant
4xwarriors with death spitters
12x hor Gants
8x geanstellers with brood lord
And 3x carnefex
With some sort of wepons ?

Sure, it won't be "top form", but that doesn't make it unplayable. I think the Spawn of Cryptus is a playable unit (the Stealers, and the Lord) But the rest is overkitted in terms of performance...Giving one Warrior per Brood a Cannon is almost always a good choice, and Deathspitters can be very good (vs Xenos, and IG/AM)

Carnifexen, are currently "best" when equipped with TL: Devourers with Brain Leeches, x2 at 150 per they Rawk. But things can change, so using magnets is a good idea. The Formation requires the Carnifex to use a Heavy Cannon, so swapping out would be useful.

Example list:
HQ: Winged Tyrant, TL: Brain Leeches, Thorax Electro Grubs (Warlord) 240
Troops: Warrior Brood, x3, Deathspitters x2, Strangle Cannon 110
Troops: Stealers x8 Scything, Brood Lord 204?
Troops Hormagants, x 12 60
Heavy: Dakkafex 150
Heavy Dakkafex 150
Heavy, as above 150

That looks like 1064....trim 64 points, and it is a good 1000 point force. I think I would lose some Stealers, and or the Broodlord to get to 1000

I suggest using the Warriors, the Hormagaunts, and a Brood of Carnifex (1x, or 2x) as a "Bugstar" as they synergise nicely...down the road a Venothrope, or Malanthrope would be a very useful addition.


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Phodian swarm, 550..?

Battle forged CAD:
HQ: Winged Dakka'rant, Thorax 240
Troops: Ripper, x3 Tunneling 45
Troops: as above 45

Elite: Venothrope 45
Elite: Zoanthrope 50

Fighter ace for Winged Tyrant? +35 1000 points. noticeably stronger, but you'd need to buy a couple of extra figures...

looks good!
if you are making a 1000 point list what would you go for

doidge wrote:
looks good!
if you are making a 1000 point list what would you go for

Take a look at the second list.

Thanks looks good so do you rate the Phodian swam ?
And where would you put the venothrioe ?

And how would you make a 1000 point list with out using the phodian swarm

doidge wrote:
Thanks looks good so do you rate the Phodian swam ?
And where would you put the venothrioe ?

And how would you make a 1000 point list with out using the phodian swarm

I would rate it as "fair" the models are overkitted, and so are over priced, but the special rules (Stealth, Prefered Enemy) are very good. Parking a Shrouding bug near them makes for a fearsome combo. It actually looks like the Stealers can get into contact.

Even if you do not use the Swarm/Spawn, the Lesser group (the Broodlord, and Stealers) is a credible addition.( and still gets the special rules)

My personal choice for a low point game is to build around a Big Bug, maybe two. I greatly prefer using a Tyrannofex, with a Thorax Hive, and I often toss in Adrenals for 200 points.

I like to build a "Bugstar" of a Big Bug, with a Hormagaunt screen, a Venothrope, and a source of Synapse, Warriors, or a Zoey both work very well. Toss in a Winged Tyrant, with a Thorax Hive, and the list almost writes it's self.

One of the strongest 1000 pointers would use a Living Artillery Node. But I say if you got 'em, then find a way to put them on the table.

A Dakkafex (Carnifex, twin sets of Brain Leeches) makes for a deadly Bugstar as well. It is not too popular these days but I have a fair bit of fondness for a "Gunfex" with a Heavy Strangle Cannon, and Brain Leeches. If you use magnets there is no reason you can't try several different configs, but you'll almost certainly end up using Dakkafex.

If you want pure cheesy excess, two or three Winged Dakka'rants supplies a lifetime supply