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What is reliably punking Ork Nobs with PKs? Short of HQs and MCs, do they really get punked in the first round of a challenge by things? I know no Exarch can (Scorp +claw gets closest), and my SM serves always go splat too...

Quite a lot of things can reliably kill a Nob. The issue stems from the fact that their Klaw forces them to swing at I1, and they have no reliable armor. They can get a 4+, but it can't be purchased on just him, you have to invest in your ENTIRE squad to get it. Which is a load of garbage. And even then, a 4+ save isn't great, as most other characters or HQs will be packing a power weapon or something to shred through it.

Really, the only army that doesn't have characters (or common characters) to scare a Nob easily tends to be either IG or Tau.

I do it regularly as long as i get the charge (not hard with Dark Eldar) with my Klaivex. He gets 4+D3 attacks on the charge which hit on 3's and wound on 4's/3's depending on the turn. Then again, there is little this cheap little monster won't handle (30pts).

Generally your Nobz are safe against most Sargent because very few people even take a combat-tooled Sargent anymore, and a Nob should squish anything less then a truly dedicated close combat Sargent easily.

Vindicares. Ordinance.

If you mean in challenges and not vs ICs, MEQ sargs with PS or PM have decent chance, especially vets (though not reliable), not much else outside BT sargs unless you head into IC from the SM dex. A PF sarg can do MAD with one.

CSM, same things, different flavors. Spawn can hurt you too, but no challenges there.

Tau don't do challenges. For other dexes, anything with 5+ Str 4 power anything attacks can hurt. Any GK character with Force. Again, guard just ignore the challenge. DE I don't know well enough. Stay away from elites there, others will have to tell you more.

Nids with things like brood lords will mess him up as can Cron elites. Daemons can rip him up too. I know I'm missing things

Um. Eldar have quite low attack values and shouldn't get caugth in melee... but a Scorpions' Exarch with Claw should be hitting and wounding that nob on 2+. Furthermore, he's got three attacks, 4 on the charge plus one pseudo-HOW strike from the mandiblasters, each and every one of them resolved before that klaw gets to swing. Are you sure your opponent isn't cheating on you?

Doesn't that average out to a shade under 2 wounds?


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Power Sword sarge + vet + pistol + charge averages 1 wound.

Not having a problem facing orks, just confused as to why they claim their nobs always get punked.

I've lost more nobs to shooting than to challenges in 7th, Bharring. Barrage weapons are common these days, and nobs, with both their klaw to do major harm and their bosspole to keep the mob in line, are prime targets for them.

The problem is that pk nobz are too important.

When you count this: Power Sword sarge + vet + pistol + charge averages 1 wound - you forget that it's not a guaranteed 1 wound. There's like 20-30% chance that a sarge will inflict 2 wounds. And that's basically a 20-30% chance to cripple the whole mob as they'll be much less useful due to lack of powerful weapons and no character with BP for mob rule.
It's like saying that SAG is a great reliable competitive weapon cause it's s7 ap2 large blast on average.

Another thing is that there is a lot of stuff that can kill a pk nob in a challenge before he swings. The meta is not full of power sword sarges for the exact same reason - there is a huge chance of running into a kitted HQ or character MC and do absolutely nothing with your 50 pt sarge before getting murderised or just skipping a challenge. While at the same time you take a special weapon to have a chance of killing this stuff in the first place. That was a huge problem in 6-th for orkses before the codex update cause unlike other factions that can do the heavy lifting without regular kitted sarges, we can't do it without nobz. Now we can at least spam slotless character meks the sole purpose of which is to die in challenges to avoid this poorly applied mechanics with your nobz for a turn.

I definitely feel your pain of having my only threat vs MCs challenged out. I think I understand Ork complaints on the issue, then. Thanks.

At least with my Marines, people can say 'grav(/hellfire) or stfu' if I get thrashed by MCs. With Orks, their options are... More melee-centric.