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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/04 13:18:31
Subject: Is it possible to justify a Dark Eldar and Slaaneshi Daemons alliance?
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Khorne Veteran Marine with Chain-Axe
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Perhaps Slaanesh is keeping a particularly close eye on this particular band of DE?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/04 13:23:42
Subject: Is it possible to justify a Dark Eldar and Slaaneshi Daemons alliance?
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
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Can't you go for another brand of demons instead like Tzeentch or something?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/04 14:45:51
Subject: Is it possible to justify a Dark Eldar and Slaaneshi Daemons alliance?
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Khorne Veteran Marine with Chain-Axe
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I could, but I like the Slaaneshi models. I suppose I'll just do them separately.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/04 14:52:53
Subject: Is it possible to justify a Dark Eldar and Slaaneshi Daemons alliance?
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Ancient Space Wolves Venerable Dreadnought
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Not possible. Slaanesh is the reason all eldar are in their predicament. They hate and fear her with a burning passion
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/04 16:37:42
Subject: Is it possible to justify a Dark Eldar and Slaaneshi Daemons alliance?
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I think a possible short term alliance might be that the dark eldar are stuck and forced to battle the daemons when a nid, ork, necron, etc. force interrupts their fight resulting in a brief truce where the daemons are annoyed that someone else is attacking their prey while the dark eldar are fighting hoping for a window of opportunity to get the hell out of the mess altogether.
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Gods? There are no gods. Merely existences, obstacles to overcome.
"And what if I told you the Wolves tried to bring a Legion to heel once before? What if that Legion sent Russ and his dogs running, too ashamed to write down their defeat in Imperial archives?" - ADB |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/04 16:44:16
Subject: Re:Is it possible to justify a Dark Eldar and Slaaneshi Daemons alliance?
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Dakka Veteran
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I think they tried something along those lines in one of the Death Watch books C.S. Goto Authored.
Also in one of the Soul Drinker novels a renegade Dark Eldar noble had Slaanesh's favor. I recall there being daemonettes fighting alongside flesh constructs at one point.
Also there was one Dark Eldar Kabal that summoned a warp-host in the Dark City, but the second their Kabal's territory was sealed off by Vect himself, the Kabal learned their control over the daemons was less than absolute.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/04 16:49:14
Subject: Re:Is it possible to justify a Dark Eldar and Slaaneshi Daemons alliance?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Yes.
As said, there's an explicit example in the Dark Eldar trilogy with a Slaanesh-host summoned to overthrow Vect (mind, it backfired, but it would've temporarily had Daemonettes & Kabalite Warriors fight side by side.
Also, Slaanesh demons are naturally drawn to excruciating pain and excruciatingly painful pleasure, which Dark Eldar dish out left and right. Thus, they might just "show up", not much different than Bloodletters showing up when a bloody battle is in full swing.
The irony of the Dark Eldar is that they do pretty much the same thing a Slaanesh devotee (say... a Noise Marine) does too: dish out excruciatingly painful pleasure-torture. Just that they got a rawer deal. The Noise Marine does it for "powers & tentacles & a-chance-for-promotion-to-daemonhood". The Dark Eldar does it for "not being devoured for another day".
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/04 17:04:03
Subject: Is it possible to justify a Dark Eldar and Slaaneshi Daemons alliance?
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Pragmatic Primus Commanding Cult Forces
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An alliance between Slaaneshi Deamons and Eldar would never be possible, not even temporaryily.
A Dark Eldar attempting to use Deamons to further his/her own goals would be possible though, but most Dark Eldar are not slowed enough to even consider that option. There is one mention in the DE codex of an Archon trying to do so, and it went horribly wrong.
Slaanesh desires Eldar souls more than anything else, so it is unlikely its deamons would work alongside, rather than turn on a group of Eldar.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/04 17:08:54
Subject: Is it possible to justify a Dark Eldar and Slaaneshi Daemons alliance?
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Blood Angel Terminator with Lightning Claws
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Wait, so is there absolutely no chance for an Eldar to serve the Chaos Gods without being devoured? I would have figured that Dark Eldar would have been feeding Slaanesh with their festivities, so would a few maybe not receive Slaanesh's favor and have a possibility of becoming a Daemon?
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To quote a fictional character... "Let's make this fun!"
Tactical_Spam wrote:There was a story in the SM omnibus where a single kroot killed 2-3 marines then ate their gene seed and became a Kroot-startes.
We must all join the Kroot-startes... |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/04 17:48:52
Subject: Is it possible to justify a Dark Eldar and Slaaneshi Daemons alliance?
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Khorne Veteran Marine with Chain-Axe
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Hm, there doesn't seem to be a consensus here, I was under the impression that the Eldar (which became Dark) gave birth to Slaanesh. Isn't it possible for them to be favoured?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/04 17:53:52
Subject: Is it possible to justify a Dark Eldar and Slaaneshi Daemons alliance?
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Quick-fingered Warlord Moderatus
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Sure, as snacks. That's what Slaanesh desire. Eldar snacks.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/04 17:54:30
Subject: Is it possible to justify a Dark Eldar and Slaaneshi Daemons alliance?
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dusara217 wrote:Wait, so is there absolutely no chance for an Eldar to serve the Chaos Gods without being devoured?
There's a difference between serving faithfully and a battlefield-alliances (likely a temporary one).
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/04 17:58:18
Subject: Is it possible to justify a Dark Eldar and Slaaneshi Daemons alliance?
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Angered Reaver Arena Champion
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Dark Eldar and Chaos Eldar are very different things. Chaos Eldar are rare and incredibly powerful and have barely been mentioned in the fluff for a long while. Chaos Eldar live on the Crone Worlds mostly and are some of the most powerful followers of Chaos because they don't have to hold back at all. You know those Farseers flipping tanks around and stuff? They are holding back. Considering a Chaos Eldar can do that to the max + whatever favor they have from Chaos makes them an extremely dangerous creature. If you want to use Chaos Eldar, it would make more sense to use one as a Psudo-Daemon Prince then as a regular Eldar due to power difference.
As for Dark Eldar working with Slaanashi Daemons, it could happen. In the codex is specifically states an Archon summoned Daemons in an attempted Coup, the fact it didn't work forgotten. There are even Slaaneshi Daemons stroling around in parts of the Dark City, specifically Sha'Dom where a warp rift allows Hand Maidens to walk through the sealed off realm. But it would be risky business, the Archon would have to have a very organised plan if he hopes to keep these Daemons in check.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/04 17:59:51
Subject: Is it possible to justify a Dark Eldar and Slaaneshi Daemons alliance?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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They can ally on the tabletop Come the Apocalypse, so... just think of an apocalyptic enough reason.
But yea, the few times they've done it in the fluff (and as pointed out, they have done it) have gone horribly wrong. That includes the guy who had Slaanesh's favor (or merely thought he had it, IIRC)
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/04 18:30:11
Subject: Is it possible to justify a Dark Eldar and Slaaneshi Daemons alliance?
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Norn Queen
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Theres is only one thing DE fear more than death (hence their need to torture to survive) and thats death whilst falling / being consumed by Slaanesh. Definite no for me.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/04 18:33:46
Subject: Is it possible to justify a Dark Eldar and Slaaneshi Daemons alliance?
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Fixture of Dakka
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One last hit before Slanesh consumes them? They are hopeless addicts...
Slanesh is consuming them, so its demons go after others?
A stretch, but it'd work for a one-off.
Perhaps some human cult stylized after Cegorath that venerates Slanesh? Mostly DE models, DE rules, but humans (marked by slanesh) instead of Eldar?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/04 22:43:04
Subject: Is it possible to justify a Dark Eldar and Slaaneshi Daemons alliance?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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It's also quite possible that DE could become Slaaneshi puppets without realizing it. Their pleasure-torture is close kin to Slaanesh behaviour precisely because the DE keep Slaanesh at bay by feeding her what she wants.
Kind of like the old joke about "I don't need to outrun the bear, I only need to outrun YOU."
OK, DE also feed on the terror and agony of others, just like Slaanesh. She is a reflection of Eldar depravity, after all.
As to whether they'd voluntarily fight alongside Slaaneshi demons... maybe, if they were part of a DE pleasure cult. That's about the only way I could see a semi-permanent alliance between the two - that is, anything lasting longer than a single desperate battle. If you want an ongoing basis for an army you're building a pleasure cult is probably your best bet.
Otherwise you're limited by DE fear of Slaanesh as others have said. Dark Eldar do fear having their withered souls devoured after all.
My two teef
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/06 15:21:13
Subject: Is it possible to justify a Dark Eldar and Slaaneshi Daemons alliance?
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Troubled By Non-Compliant Worlds
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Eldar (Dark Eldar especially)were daemonically possessed a few times if that matters.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/07 04:21:02
Subject: Re:Is it possible to justify a Dark Eldar and Slaaneshi Daemons alliance?
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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The only way I can see this happening would be if the Dark Eldar were actually flesh puppets with daemons having devoured their souls.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/07 04:23:16
Subject: Is it possible to justify a Dark Eldar and Slaaneshi Daemons alliance?
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Ancient Venerable Dark Angels Dreadnought
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I'm pretty sure there have been Slaaneshi Dark Eldar cultists in the past lore of 40k.
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“There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance.” |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/07 04:24:49
Subject: Re:Is it possible to justify a Dark Eldar and Slaaneshi Daemons alliance?
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Insect-Infested Nurgle Chaos Lord
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Slaanesh already owns their souls. They have nothing to bargain with.
Dark Eldar only have more to loose by directly working with Slaanesh.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/07 04:27:00
Subject: Re:Is it possible to justify a Dark Eldar and Slaaneshi Daemons alliance?
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Ancient Venerable Dark Angels Dreadnought
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Medium of Death wrote:Slaanesh already owns their souls. They have nothing to bargain with.
Dark Eldar only have more to loose by directly working with Slaanesh.
Tell that to C.S. Goto and his backflipping Terminators.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/07 05:50:58
Subject: Is it possible to justify a Dark Eldar and Slaaneshi Daemons alliance?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Since it's actually happened yes it's possible. No self respecting archon would lower himself to working with deamons though.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/07 14:32:39
Subject: Re:Is it possible to justify a Dark Eldar and Slaaneshi Daemons alliance?
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Devestating Grey Knight Dreadknight
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A possibility could be that these particular dark elder didn't do enough to keep Slaanesh from chewing on them so the chaos god gave them a slavery option (still planning on having them for a midnight snack, of course) to avoid being eaten for now, and these DE are pretty desperate/partially insane from their small exposure to Chaos.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/07 18:24:52
Subject: Is it possible to justify a Dark Eldar and Slaaneshi Daemons alliance?
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Sinewy Scourge
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Typical fluff wise? no. But that cant stop you.
Treat your DE as counts as DE. Tell people they dont live in the warp anymore but rather are a band of those rarely occurring Chaos aligned Eldar. Bada bing bada boom.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/07 19:51:46
Subject: Is it possible to justify a Dark Eldar and Slaaneshi Daemons alliance?
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Khorne Veteran Marine with Chain-Axe
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What do you mean DE as counts as DE?
Does that not just mean DE?
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