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So what is that ship you really like, try to use whenever you can, but just doesn't perform well on the table

For me it the top one would be the USS Defiant. I am a big DS9 fan, but it seems that in the game it never lives up to expectations. It feels like you have to sink close to 50 points into it just to give it a moderate attack and a little defense. I usually put a flagship on it to bulk it up. That is 34 points and there is much more durability in Voyager or Enterprise D for less points. In the early days of the game Andrew Parks mentioned that they had to dial back the Defiant because it was cleaning up in play testing. I think they dialed it back too much. It doesn't need a major overall, but if the Hirogen ship can be 26pts with that dial, I think the difiant can too. I would gladly pay 2 extra points for a 4 attack Defiant. They only other thing it needs is a Dax card that is actually useful, something similar to Pais and Sulu.

My other let down is the Equinox. That was a great episode, but in game I think the designers just missed the mark. Nothing in the pack really synergies. The ship ability, the captain, and 2 of the crew all require an action. The tech upgrade is expensive and very situational. The EMH is good, but doesn't really work with the rest. Honestly he is better when used with the Defiant's cloaking device. It just feels like they didn't put much thought into this pack, the cards don't synergies and they don't really reflect their on screen appearance. Even if you takebthe generic Nova class you are kinda meh. If you just need a cheap support ship, the Miranda puts it to shame with a way better arc and a slightly better dial. The Nova has a tech slot, but for 2 points there is Captain Styles and boom cheap tech slot. The poor Nova just doesn't seem to have a role that couldn't be done better by another ship.

These are the big 2 for me. They disappoint, but I still use them whenever I can. I could just be my complete ineptitude with Federation , but I keep trying to find ways to make these favs more useful.

What are your favorites, that just don't quite make it

The Galor class. I love the Cardassian ship designs and I would like to use the galor in a game but the Keldon is just superior to it in every way. For the same price you get one plus attack dice, battle stations, an additional weapons slot and a four bank maneuver. You lose a shield but the galor is already a really squishy ship. The named ability is not that good because i don't want to waste a shield on another ship when the galor is already squishy. The captains are ok but I'm going to use other ones over them. The same goes for the crew. The weapon is really only good against fighters. Antiproton scan seems good but none of the players I face really ever cloak. Em pluse is pretty good but to have a really good affect you need several ships using it on one ship to be affective and I can never get around to putting that many in my list. Maybe the Reklar will come with some good cards but I don't really have my hopes up for it.

Breen warship. It's just neither one thing nor the other! But I want to love it, alas...

-ds9lord

I agree. I have never liked the fact that the Galor and Keldon are the same points. The Keldon has the hull extention, it should have been a 5 hull ship to reflect that. There is also no reason why it shouldn't have battle stations. It is built and crewed by cardassians just like the Keldon, there is no reasonable explanations for them to be trained differently. I like the extra shield over the attack and I prefer the dial, butbthe lack of BS really hurts the ship. If there was a points difference then each would have a more prominent position in the fleet, but since BS is sooo good there just isn't much reason to take the Galor.

Now I do like Gul Dukat on the generic Dominion/Borg Galor, but only because Dukat makes it a super Keldon at that point.


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 inmygravenimage wrote:
Breen warship. It's just neither one thing nor the other! But I want to love it, alas...

I think it has the same problem as the Galor, it is in the same points bracket as the Keldon, has a smaller arc and less attacks. Like the Difiant the 3 attacks just kills this ship. So you really have to invest 5 points in torpedoes to give it a decent attack, so then you are looking at 29pts for a generic. That isn't very promising The Energy Disapator has a great effect, but again the 3 attack and range 1mean most ships can either evade it off or destroy you before you can get in range.

I think a lot of ships suffer from the designers being too eager to give some ships super high attack values and too many ways to boost attacks.Those two things coupled with very few ways to increase evade dice or repair make many ships easy points on the table.

If attacks had topped out at 5 dice with less attack buffs, and more reliable repair cards the game would have more of a trek feel. Ships being one shoted is far too common.

-inmygravenimageMade
I feel that the Breen battle cruiser has some good things about it. It's pretty maneuverable compared to other ships. It doesn't have battle stations but the named kind of makes up for it with the not spending target lock ability. I feel that it can be used as a support ship to deal extra damage with torpedoes while the bigger ships do the main fighting.

The Gor Portas isn't bad with Dukat, Boheeka, mand ED, but it doesn't feel right. Tribbles help, but they help, everything except Klingons

Totally agree on the Galor and Keldon classes not having enough clear blue water between them. Likewise I feel that the Keldon should have hull 5 and the same shields as the Galor for a 4 point more expensive class.

I also really dislike that in the TNG "The Wounded" it's clear that the Galor class is outmatched by the Galaxy class, yet the D'Deridex has only attack 3. The designers went overboard with attack values. No way should the B'rel class have attack 4. They should have kept attack values low like in X Wing and that would have encouraged secondary weapons.

The Dominion Battleship should have been every bit as terrifying as a borg cube but ended up extremely underwhelming.

The D'Deridex class is woefully undergunned.

The lack of a tech slot on the valdore is a pain for me, but far more irritating to my nerdsense is the lack of a tech slot on the galaxy class. It's supposed to be a flying lab...

I really think there should have been more of a formidable difference between the Negh'var and the Vor'cha, making both viable for different reasons.

The Excelsior. For a ship that bridged eras it just doesn't seem to translate on the table.

Edit - Also, yeah, the Defiant. The named version should have come with the cloak built in. Plus now with the the Mirror Universe version out, I am sort of wishing I'd not spent the money to buy the Fed version.

basically all the dominion ships, mostly the attack ship and the battle ship.

I think the Bajorian Interceptor 5 should have been an fighter squadron.That would have made it useable and a 'The Resistances' special rule could have allowed you to field them without a host vessels.

I agree on the Galor but I do think the Treager is an excellent ship and if you count the Prekesh as a cardassian ship its got a nice ability. Other than the hull on the Keldon it was a more advanced ship and should have see an extra shield as well.

The D'Deridex was undergunned. My ideal generic D'Deridex was PW 4 Evade 1 Hull 5 Shields 3 for.......26 points would have been great.

I have this thing about massive ships and evade its akin to a barn trying to evade a shotgun, its not possible. As big as the D'deridex and Scimitar ships are the evade should have reflected this. look at the Jem. Battleship

The Soong seems Blah in comparison to the show

MeanGreenStompa..... I agree the Negh'var was seriously nerfed it should have been more like the Scimitar...PW 6 Evade 0 Hull 8 shields 3 for 34 points ***Notice the evade***the hull and shields are just +1-1 from the Scimitar making it a more Klingon feel

You hit my biggest peevewhen the game first came out, Tech slot on the ENT-D drove me crazy. Its Mission was classified as Ambassadorial and Exploratory, Tech and Exploring would seem to go hand in hand.

I do have high hopes for the new Valdore and a tech slot, just one is all I need. Double Valdore list here I come.

Popped into my FLGS. All pre- wave10 STAW on sale @ £8 each. Koronak much?

 easysauce wrote:
basically all the dominion ships, mostly the attack ship and the battle ship.

I can see the problems with the battle ship but what's bad about the attack ship? I think it's a good ship for it's point cost. It's got pretty good maneuvering with only one red maneuver. Giving it phased polarized beam with glenon for a chance for a battle station or extra damage is a pretty good combo. I used one in my last game against the feds and it tied up a galaxy class for the majority of the game on one side of the board while the main battle was on the other side. It was destroyed because of the 360 attack on the galaxy but it took two shields of and knocked it down to 1 hull. I think that they are good for their cost and they can be used as a harassment ship that can outmaneuver most big ships.

The biggest disappointment has to be the defiant, it's 3 attack kills it's usefulness and doesn't reflect what it was like in the show.
I've also felt it should have had a weapon upgrade for the quad phaser cannons. Something like a 5 dice attack with built in battlestations, but it causes an aux power token when you fire it.

The galor is disappointing, the 180' arc doe's not make up for the lack of a 90' turn. It's the main stay of the cardassion fleet and there never seems to be a reason to take one.

Also the giant borg cube, I wanted it to be able to take on 40 fed ships at once, but it struggles with 4!

 Tamereth wrote:
The biggest disappointment has to be the defiant, it's 3 attack kills it's usefulness and doesn't reflect what it was like in the show.
I've also felt it should have had a weapon upgrade for the quad phaser cannons. Something like a 5 dice attack with built in battlestations, but it causes an aux power token when you fire it.

The galor is disappointing, the 180' arc doe's not make up for the lack of a 90' turn. It's the main stay of the cardassion fleet and there never seems to be a reason to take one.

Also the giant borg cube, I wanted it to be able to take on 40 fed ships at once, but it struggles with 4!

The Galor has both 2 & 3 90 degree turnd, they are just red. I actually like the Galor dial better than the Keldon. The 4 bank doesn't make up for the lose of the green 1 bank.

I don't think a weapon upgrade isn't the answer, you would still be putting more points into an under powered ship. Giving it 4 attacks and bumping it to 26pts isn't as big a deal as adding a 4-5pt upgrade to a 24pt ship.

 ds9lord wrote:

 easysauce wrote:
basically all the dominion ships, mostly the attack ship and the battle ship.

I can see the problems with the battle ship but what's bad about the attack ship? I think it's a good ship for it's point cost. It's got pretty good maneuvering with only one red maneuver. Giving it phased polarized beam with glenon for a chance for a battle station or extra damage is a pretty good combo. I used one in my last game against the feds and it tied up a galaxy class for the majority of the game on one side of the board while the main battle was on the other side. It was destroyed because of the 360 attack on the galaxy but it took two shields of and knocked it down to 1 hull. I think that they are good for their cost and they can be used as a harassment ship that can outmaneuver most big ships.

the attack ship just has its stats spread out a lot,

its too fragile to survive against most larger ships, two defence are kind of wasted on it when it has 5 durability, its attacks are low, and the only use for it is the polaron beam, which is 5PTs and only range 1-2, and brings it up to 25 pts.

at 25 pts, Im much better off with a keldorn class that is more durable, and has more attack power. the 180 more then makes up for the lack of a K turn.

The attack ships would be nice in a world without borg,


actually... lots of stuff would be nice in a world without borg....


still dont see any of the people coming back to OP's that used to play before borg came out, kinda sad :(

My group doesn't do the tournaments and we have just banned the borg entirely.

ive played the borg a couple of times and thus far im 2-0, I play dominion and to be honest neither of us are experienced at this game so its probably just he is using bad builds

Always the Gav Laerst and Gor Portas. I love those ships! But they just don't perform to my expectations on the table.

There is the OP Participation card "Advanced Targeting Systems" resource, and a few other cards that could make a Torp Gunboat out of 'em. I might have to look into that...

I have to agree that the Been are such a disappointment. I don't really see the ship from the game devastating a combined Romulan, Federation, and Klingon fleet. The ships seem much bigger on screen 3 attack 4 hull doesn't live up to it.

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
I have to agree that the Been are such a disappointment. I don't really see the ship from the game devastating a combined Romulan, Federation, and Klingon fleet. The ships seem much bigger on screen 3 attack 4 hull doesn't live up to it.

To be fair, it was the special attack of the Breen that did as much damage to the other fleets as we saw. If they made the dissipator a range 3 weapon, that would certainly improve things for them, a range of 1 is too limited, they get creamed before they get close enough to use it.

Range 3 might be too strong, maybe range 2 but causes an aux token would have been better.

 Mr. S Baldrick wrote:
Range 3 might be too strong, maybe range 2 but causes an aux token would have been better.

Perhaps, but given what it did in the show, it should be terrifying.

Don't mind paying the points, and it should certainly be Breen ship only, but it should be what makes the breen stand out and get counted.

What if they just gave it the same rules as an ion cannon...


I'll get m' coat.