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Made in gb
Been Around the Block




Hey guys so I started Dark Eldar, my local game shop announced kill team and this gave me an excuse to finally dive into Deldar!
I started with a Box of Kabalite warriors, X5 Incubi and a Venom, (Killteam was 5 warriors, Venom and 3 Incubi).
Basically iv looked online and seen multiple opinions on lists some using Haemoncolus coverns and some spamming bikes and wychs etc.
The next game type my local games shop is having is 1200 points, I wondered if anyone had any advice on were I should go next, I love the look of ALL the Dark elder models so look isn't an issue, iv seen this Boxset http://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Wych-Cult-Shardstorm , looked a good start? I find myself being fairly competitive if that helps.
Thanks in advance!

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Twisted Trueborn with Blaster





North Denver

If you want to be competitive, stay clear the hell away from Wyches.

I'd stick with the venoms and grab enough kabalites to keep them full. Look to filling out your fast attack slots as they are our best resource. Scourges, Razorwing Jetfighters, Reavers... pretty much anything but Hellions in that slot are great pick ups.

   
Made in gb
Been Around the Block




Ok so maybe avoid that Boxset I linked, What about Venoms? Is there a reason they aren't included in the list? Safe bet is to purchase some Reavers/Scourges to get me rolling then?
Cheers for the reply
   
Made in us
Masculine Male Wych





Venoms and Raiders are two similar-yet-different beasts. Both cost the same stock, both are fast as all hell, and both serve the purpose of getting your troops around. Since you're just starting out, don't worry too much about buying Venoms over Raiders and vice-versa - You'll likely end up running at least a one or two of each.

The advantage of Venoms is that they're small (easy to park in cover), have a Flickerfield invulnerable save stock, and can mount two Splinter Cannons for a truly ridiculous amount of anti-infantry from a tiny little carriage. They're great for transporting a small unit of Incubi, your HQ and retinue, or 5 Kabalite Trueborn with four Blasters, which is a killer little deathsquad.

Raiders on the other hand, can mount Dark Lances on the prow, making them a solid AT-without being dedicated AT units. They carry twice the models that a Venom can, making them better for large groups of Kabalites or a Grotesque squad. They also have an extra HP.

Take those as you will, they're each good in their own right. Like I said, since you're just starting, don't worry too much about prioritizing Raiders over Venoms or vice-versa. Just pick whichever feels best to you.

Also, while katfude is right, Wyches are not very competitive, that just means you don't want to run them PRIMARILY. They're still damn good at doing what they do best - tarpitting heavy units, mulching conscripts, and serving as a delivery vector for a CC HQ. And despite not being top-tier, they're definitely not that bad. If you roll Adrenalight, your Wyches will be doing 4 attacks each on the charge, at Strength 4 once you get Furious Charge from PFP. Five attacks each if the game drags on until you get Rage from PFP. On a related note, even if Wyches were completely useless, the rest of the stuff in that Shardstorm box is great. Reavers are an awesome CC/Tank busting unit, a Succubus is a fun HQ to run, and like I said before, you can always use a Raider. You'll probably want at least one unit of Wyches eventually, so I'd spring for it.

Lastly, based on what you have right now, here's the next purchases I'd recommend (assuming you got the Shardstorm box):
- Ravager/Razorwing/Voidraven - you'll want the dakka and the Razorwing in particular is great at dealing with horde armies since you can fire all four missiles on the turn you come in. Ravagers eat tanks for breakfast, just make sure you keep them in cover lest you have to jink.
- More transports - Even if you get the Shardstorm box, that only leaves you with one Raider and one Venom. You'll probably want another Raider and a couple more Venoms for good measure.
- More troops - In this case, probably Kabalites. If you're a Coven fan, Wracks are troop choices in the supplement, so you can always go down that road.
After that, it;s really up to you. There are very few units aside from Bloodbrides, that don't have a good use in the new Dark Eldar codex. I generally prefer Reavers over Hellions, but you can still run them if they tickle your fancy, and lots of people have had great luck with them. Just build up your core with transports, troop choices, and a few heavy hitters (not that everything DE doesn't hit heavy) and you'll be left with a great TAC list that you can season and tweak with whatever units really grab you.

Hope that helps!

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Made in gb
Angered Reaver Arena Champion




Connah's Quay, North Wales

Hold your horses a second, that is a good boxset for Dark Eldar. While you won't be using Wyches often, they do come with a lot of bitz and ALL Dark Eldar models can freely swap bitz between the different units. Add that to the fact you are getting those Wyches half price when you add it up it becomes a more attractive deal.

6 Reavers are great, throw 2 Cluster Caltrops in there and you've a very versatile unit to go around with. If you starting Dark Eldar, Reavers epitomize everything you should love about the army being both super fast and super hard hitting. The Raider is a must, as we all know and the Succubus (IMHO) is the best priced HQ we get. My advise would be to get this Box Set and a unit of Vampire Counts Crypt Horrors, they make amazing Grotesques and Grots are by far the best place to throw your Succubus.

From there see what aspects you like and expand upon them, either by adding more shooting in the form as Scourges and Razorwings or more beef in the form of the Coven Supplement.

Alex

 
   
Made in gb
Been Around the Block




Amazing response guys really appreciate the advice really in depth too thankyou all think ill go for the shardstorm set then a flyer and go from there thanks again guys incredible info
   
 
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