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Can someone mind explaining what the motive is for bringing this thing back from epic:



and this:



Furthermore is there any particular reason that Games Workshop and Forge World won't add rules for a Gargant when they have them for the Warlord and Emperator titans ?

And more importantly would these things even fit in your deployment zone or on the table for that matter in a standard game of 40k ?

But they don't don't have rules for those titans. Perhaps they used too, but not anymore.

The motive is to make cool models so they can make money...

There used to be rule for Gargants and Mega Gargants, we had a giant everyone vs Orks apocalypse match agaisnt a bunch of those back before apoc got updated

My personal feeling on it as a business decision is that imperial (and mechanicus) type units makes a lot more commercial sense to market as products than ork vehicles purely because of the aesthetic. Think about it, if they write rules for an imperial titan and then make the model, the majority o people who want to play with those rules will buy that model as most hobbyists are not skillful enough to be able to scrath build or convert a titan of their own that would come close to duplicating that trademark imperial aesthetic.

Orks on the other hand are a different story. If they were to write rules for a Gargant plenty of people would want one, probably even enough people to make it worth producing, but the problem is that a large amount of hobbyists wont buy it. The ork aesthetic is very unique as it has a hodgepodge look to it not to mention that every ork vehicle tends to look a little different since they're pieced together from whatever is lying around. If GW wrote gargant rules, the majority of ork players would just build there own conversion. Undoubtedly the GW (or FW) model would be super expensive and then anyone who bought one would have one that looked exactly like all the other ones people bought which isn't very orky. Why buy a super expensive gargant when creating one from scratch is easy and it would look just as good. It just wouldn't be worth the time or money to produce.

Im sure they will write rules for a new one when they can release it as part of an apoc book or something like that but just writing rules for it to be nice and so that people could convert some isn't likely to happen. It's the kind of thing we might have seen in the old days of WD, but i doubt it would happen now.

The Imperial Answer wrote:
Can someone mind explaining what the motive is for bringing this thing back from epic:



And more importantly would these things even fit in your deployment zone or on the table for that matter in a standard game of 40k ?

because they know i'll buy at least one regardless of price.

with the way the BRB has us set deployment zones 12" from the centre, i'll make the board big enough!

Because they're badass, and they're the cashcow vanguard of this whole franchise. Do they really need any other reasons?

ORDINATUS....

GIVE ME.... NOW

The Stormbird has featured heavily in the Horus Heresy books.
Surprised it wasn't done sooner.

i have all my mechantendrils crossed for the wars on mars being an HH book!
an ordinatus is built during said period although i remember it being a sonic-lance type weapon, not the 'photon thruster' type one they have shown.

i preferr the one shown as it looks really cool and also will be so much easier to have rules for the main weapon.
i recon that you'll have to have a quota of 'guardian automata' to field one.

The Imperial Answer wrote:
Can someone mind explaining what the motive is for bringing this thing back from epic:

Because people want them, and FW wants to make them. Seems pretty straight forward.

 SirDonlad wrote:
i have all my mechantendrils crossed for the wars on mars being an HH book!
an ordinatus is built during said period although i remember it being a sonic-lance type weapon, not the 'photon thruster' type one they have shown.

i preferr the one shown as it looks really cool and also will be so much easier to have rules for the main weapon.
i recon that you'll have to have a quota of 'guardian automata' to field one.

FW have confirmed that 9 will be, but it is away of, at least 3 books away if not further.

 grendel083 wrote:
The Stormbird has featured heavily in the Horus Heresy books.
Surprised it wasn't done sooner.

The Stormbird in the books is a Warhawk pattern, which is something like 3x the size of a Thunderhawk, the one Forge World are doing is the never before mentioned Sokar pattern which is about the same size as a Thunderhawk.

 Gashrog wrote:

 grendel083 wrote:
The Stormbird has featured heavily in the Horus Heresy books.
Surprised it wasn't done sooner.

The Stormbird in the books is a Warhawk pattern, which is something like 3x the size of a Thunderhawk, the one Forge World are doing is the never before mentioned Sokar pattern which is about the same size as a Thunderhawk.

The Warhawk is bigger than a Thunderhawk but I never got the impression it was 3x the size. And the Sokar is new like you said, and FW said its the smallest pattern. So maybe they'll do the bigger ones in the future.

The "classic" Stormbird is to Thunderhawks what Legions are to Chapters.

They were built to move personnel and materiel on a Legion scale during the most active days of the Great Crusade, the
Thunderhawk is frequently portrayed as a quick fix, flat pack, make do and mend alternative which Legionaries frequently look down on.

While you might struggle to find a citation to support exactly 3x the size, I think it's fair to say that the Warhawk is a much bigger, more substantial bit of kit.

 Azreal13 wrote:
The "classic" Stormbird is to Thunderhawks what Legions are to Chapters.

They were built to move personnel and materiel on a Legion scale during the most active days of the Great Crusade, the
Thunderhawk is frequently portrayed as a quick fix, flat pack, make do and mend alternative which Legionaries frequently look down on.

While you might struggle to find a citation to support exactly 3x the size, I think it's fair to say that the Warhawk is a much bigger, more substantial bit of kit.

Another $1000 flyer!

 Azreal13 wrote:
The "classic" Stormbird is to Thunderhawks what Legions are to Chapters.

They were built to move personnel and materiel on a Legion scale during the most active days of the Great Crusade, the
Thunderhawk is frequently portrayed as a quick fix, flat pack, make do and mend alternative which Legionaries frequently look down on.

While you might struggle to find a citation to support exactly 3x the size, I think it's fair to say that the Warhawk is a much bigger, more substantial bit of kit.

I know that they were bigger, I just imagined maybe twice as big. What's the transport capacity of a Thunderhawk? I think Stormbirds carry 50? Maybe that comparison will give some indication. But yeah this Sokar pattern is apparantly the smallest pattern so I hope they do one of the bigger ones too.

THawks are 30, Transporters are 15 plus 2 Rhino or one Land Raider sized tank.

So the Stormbird can apparently carry vehicles as well as troops, so if we take it as 50 Astartes plus just one Rhino, that 3x estimate doesn't actually look unrealistic.

Only problem I have with a flyer bigger than the thunderhawk is that the thunderhawk is already a massive pain to use on the table.

Titans take up plenty of room but they only move 12" a turn and have a small foot print compared to their height, however thunderhawks move min of 18" if you are using it as a zooming flyer and it's footprint is much bigger than it is is tall so it takes up much more of the table area. Now in a balanced game if I have a thunderhawk my opponent is going to have something similar, not leaving much room to game on for the rest of the army.

This makes an even bigger flyer an even bigger pain to game with, turn one movement would see you able to disembark next turn right at the other end of a 6'x4' table even playing length ways. I normally play on a 8'x4' table that we can use as 10'x4' for larger games (normal games for me are around 4k, larger are 6k+) but I think we are seeing the minimum table size being pushed up again, this would really need a 12'x4' table, as would the new Ordinatus otherwise it's vast range doesn't offer enough of an advantage.

 Azreal13 wrote:
THawks are 30, Transporters are 15 plus 2 Rhino or one Land Raider sized tank.

So the Stormbird can apparently carry vehicles as well as troops, so if we take it as 50 Astartes plus just one Rhino, that 3x estimate doesn't actually look unrealistic.

Yeah, doesn't sound too far off then. Bigger than I pictured them.

Well the Stormbird can carry a Rhino or two at least.