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So, Lychguard got a massive points reduction, paired with the new RP rules, are they worth taking now?
I was thinking of a 7-10 man squad, with a Veil of Darkness Cryptek in there with them to give them a +1 to their RP, teleport them across the board for good times to be had.
T5 3+/4++/4+++ is not a bad combo at all if you are running them with Sword and Board.
Pair with a distraction wraith squad, and I think they'd get ignored?
Thoughts?

The big issue with Lychguard is still how they get into combat. I personally would rather run them with warscythes in a Nightscythe with a Solar Staff Cryptek (maybe with Chronometron) -- use the Pulse to have pseudo-invisibility against shooting for the turn you drop off, and try to get into CC the next turn.

Sword and Board is really survivable, but I'm of the opinion that Necrons are already survivable enough in general, and what they really need is more offensive power. While S5 AP3 isn't bad, when you could have S7 AP 2 Armorbane... In terms of survivability, going from a 3++ all the time to a 5++ against shooting is a hit, but again, you're still T5 3+ with a 4+++ (with a Cryptek or in Decurion). When you're so much cheaper, there's less of a direct need to go as survivable as possible, especially when you can go offensive and Necrons could use more High Strength Low AP attacks.

The wraith suggestion is good -- if you have a squad of Lychguard (maybe with the veiltek) alongside wraiths, maybe infiltrating flayed ones, praetorians, you could do a reasonable Maximum Threat Overload list.

hrm. so suppose I do take the MTO approach, go unit of 20 flayed infiltrate in, 10 lg with veil and WS, and a unit of wraiths, a c'tan maybe, depending on their stats.
still not breaking the bank. hrm. it seems like it might be a decent idea. I love the models to bits and pieces, and I want to find a way to make them work for fun games.

You could just go bare bones with Obyron, dudes a great add to squads and a extra Veil in the army. Take him and a Cryptek w/ The Staff.

Obyron
Cryptek w/ S STaff
7 Lychguard

or go with 6 and Dispersion Shields for a 3++ , 4++ against ST9 or less.

Could also go
Obyron
Crpytek w/ Solar Staff, Chronometron
5 Lychguard w/ Warscythes

355, 5++, 4++, 6s to hit with shooting the first turn if they need it.

Lychguard are absolutely worth taking now. Choppiest thing in our book right along side flayed ones. You just either have to give them a night scythe or plan on deepstriking + veiling.

These guys seem custom built to give TEQs a bad day.

They are amazing now. I've been taking 5 sword and board backed up by overlord with voidreaper and phase shifter and a cryptek. So hard to kill.

 docdoom77 wrote:
They are amazing now. I've been taking 5 sword and board backed up by overlord with voidreaper and phase shifter and a cryptek. So hard to kill.

Dude, sane here man. Took pretty much the same unit last night and chopped up a whole unit of Nobz with a Warboss pretty much on their own. I've loved the models, but now they are actually usable as fluffy Bodyguards for your overlord. Totally love it.


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Also, for those of you thinking of how to make them even tougher, add Orikan the Diviner to the unit. Now they have a 3++ rerolling ones, and if your overlord is from the Reclamation Legion, they reroll 1s for RP as well.

The suggestion for Orikan and Obyron is really good and makes it very killy. I tried them out with just Obyron and a Cryptek for a "cheapish" assault unit and was pretty happy.

With 3+/3++/4+++ Sword and Board lychguard are very tough to kill, very resilient and pretty hard hitting. I use them for protecting a blob of shooty warriors; not even death company are going to charge in, only to get counter charged next turn.

Vs tanks, equip lychguard with war scythes for an epic anti-take unit. Good bye, imperial guard mech. Just get in close to them, tanks begin to block each other's line of fire or hit each other with blasts.

I kinda also like Necron Lords too. 2W. They can take a gauntlet of flame on top of WS AND can ride around in a GA. I am mentioning here because they compete with Lychguard's niche.

I don't feel the Necron lord is worth it at all ever. Like out of all the unit choices for HQ he's the worst imo.

Especially with how powerful the Crpytek is at buffing a squad. 90 points for a +1 RP, 5++ invulnerable vs. shooting.

That's pretty good for 90 points.

Hollismason wrote:
I don't feel the Necron lord is worth it at all ever. Like out of all the unit choices for HQ he's the worst imo.

Especially with how powerful the Crpytek is at buffing a squad. 90 points for a +1 RP, 5++ invulnerable vs. shooting.

That's pretty good for 90 points.

Trying to take a Lord as a two wound Lychguard is a futile exercise when he inherently costs about three times the cost of a regular one with the same number of attacks as a single one, when given a Warscythe.

A wound is not a 45 point upgrade.

 Thariinye wrote:
The big issue with Lychguard is still how they get into combat. I personally would rather run them with warscythes in a Nightscythe with a Solar Staff Cryptek (maybe with Chronometron) -- use the Pulse to have pseudo-invisibility against shooting for the turn you drop off, and try to get into CC the next turn.

Sword and Board is really survivable, but I'm of the opinion that Necrons are already survivable enough in general, and what they really need is more offensive power. While S5 AP3 isn't bad, when you could have S7 AP 2 Armorbane... In terms of survivability, going from a 3++ all the time to a 5++ against shooting is a hit, but again, you're still T5 3+ with a 4+++ (with a Cryptek or in Decurion). When you're so much cheaper, there's less of a direct need to go as survivable as possible, especially when you can go offensive and Necrons could use more High Strength Low AP attacks.

The wraith suggestion is good -- if you have a squad of Lychguard (maybe with the veiltek) alongside wraiths, maybe infiltrating flayed ones, praetorians, you could do a reasonable Maximum Threat Overload list.

I think you gain allot more than you loose when you go sword and board. In my "meta" there are allot of marines and not many 2+ saves so AP3 is fine for me and the only real benefit is wounding on 2's instead of 3's. However with the 3++ I get a hell of allot more survivable.

As others above have mentioned Orikan is amazing combined with sword and board's it gives them the option of having some AP2 attacks as well if they come up against armour.

Big thing Sword and Board loses is that Scythes are a threat to anything.

Sword and Board /needs/ a Warscythe-HQ, or AV12+ walkers become an 18" zone of death.

(I was going to say Wraithknight, but for once we have an assault unit that is actually kinda OK against them!)

caelim wrote:
Big thing Sword and Board loses is that Scythes are a threat to anything.

Sword and Board /needs/ a Warscythe-HQ, or AV12+ walkers become an 18" zone of death.

(I was going to say Wraithknight, but for once we have an assault unit that is actually kinda OK against them!)

Agreed.

They need some sort of ability to take out AV, maybe the Destroyer Lord or Orikan with them

bodazoka wrote:

caelim wrote:
Big thing Sword and Board loses is that Scythes are a threat to anything.

Sword and Board /needs/ a Warscythe-HQ, or AV12+ walkers become an 18" zone of death.

(I was going to say Wraithknight, but for once we have an assault unit that is actually kinda OK against them!)

Agreed.

They need some sort of ability to take out AV, maybe the Destroyer Lord or Orikan with them

Yeah, even a single Warscythe in the unit will kill most vehicles.

changemod wrote:

Hollismason wrote:
I don't feel the Necron lord is worth it at all ever. Like out of all the unit choices for HQ he's the worst imo.

Especially with how powerful the Crpytek is at buffing a squad. 90 points for a +1 RP, 5++ invulnerable vs. shooting.

That's pretty good for 90 points.

Trying to take a Lord as a two wound Lychguard is a futile exercise when he inherently costs about three times the cost of a regular one with the same number of attacks as a single one, when given a Warscythe.

A wound is not a 45 point upgrade.

How many Lychguard can ride around in a GA shooting staffs of light or flamers and assault out of the GA?

All of a sudden, it makes sense why only warriors and IC's are allowed inside the GA. Imagine 3x GA's with 5x warscythe lychgard each + 1 cryptek (go ahead and take that royal court formation!) flying up the board as fast as it can and being able to assault to where you want.

No they are not.
It's a lumbering unit with no save way to make into cc.
Praetorians are much better. Faster and also decent weapons.

 wuestenfux wrote:
No they are not.
It's a lumbering unit with no save way to make into cc.
Praetorians are much better. Faster and also decent weapons.

I mean, dropping out of a night scythe with a Solar Staff in the unit.....

I plan on using this tactic eventually.

Debilitate wrote:
All of a sudden, it makes sense why only warriors and IC's are allowed inside the GA. Imagine 3x GA's with 5x warscythe lychgard each + 1 cryptek (go ahead and take that royal court formation!) flying up the board as fast as it can and being able to assault to where you want.

Yea you have to consider the price bump on a Necron Lord a bit of a tax on the ability to assault out of the GA. If you aren't putting them on a GA you aren't getting your value. The GA is a viable gun boat and assault delivery mechanism and the Lords can be configured to be burna boys/mega nobs.

In fact, to me the new necron codex feels a lot like the ork codex - like a lot of the ork codex ideas went into the necron one.