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Masculine Male Wych





This hardly is up for interpretation, but I can't seem to find any rules that either say yes or no.

In battlescribe, the save for a Dark Eldar succubus is listed as a 4++ invulnerable. Obviously this only applies in melee, but I cannot for the life of me figure out where she gets the reroll. It says she has a 4+ invulnerable in melee, but nothing that would make that rerollable. Is this just a typo or what? I've seen Lelith listed as 3++ as well, despite not seeing anything that allows her to reroll it either. Any input?
   
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4++ is common parlance for an invulnerable save, as opposed to listing "4+" whcih would be an armou save, or specifying "4+ inv" to denote the save is invulnerable.

Youre assuming 4++ (or X++) means rerollable, invulnerable. It doesnt, that I am aware of.
   
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In shorthand, 4++ means in invulnerable save, not rerollable. So the lisitng in battlescribe for a 4++ means invulnerable, and 3++ for Lilith means invulnerable. A 4+ would be regular armor save. I don't think there is shorthand for 'rerollable'. Maybe someone else can confirm.

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I think you're being confused by the notation.
An armour save is represented as a single plus (e.g. a 3+ means an armour save of 3 or more). An invulnerable save is denoted as ++ (e.g. a 4++ save means an invulnerable save of 4 or more). The double-plus has nothing to do with re-rolling.

And now I'm thinking in newspeak.

EDIT: three responses within 20 seconds of each other? What is this, a ninja convention?

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Masculine Male Wych





Well thank you for clarifying that before I made more a fool of myself. I could've sworn I'd seen it written in contexts where the save was re-rollable, but since there a quite a few re-rollable inv. saves out there, that's highly likely, haha. Thanks guys! Mods please nuke this thread from orbit, I don't want there to be this much evidence of my inexperience.
   
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Yep, usually saves slangs go as these:

X+: armour save (or cover, but that will be written)
X++: invulnerable save
X+++: Feel no Pain and similar (RP)

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Masculine Male Wych





 Vector Strike wrote:
Yep, usually saves slangs go as these:

X+: armour save (or cover, but that will be written)
X++: invulnerable save
X+++: Feel no Pain and similar (RP)


Also good to know, I saw that +++ in the Necron thread and was trying to figure that one out, haha
   
 
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