Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you: No adverts like this in the forums anymore. Times and dates in your local timezone. Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance. Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely. Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net. If you are already a member then feel free to login now.

Hi

Can I just start with saying this is a great forum. Only just found it and it is to 40k what avforums is to home cinema!

Please be very gentle I'm a 34 year old noob just starting to get into the game after 16 years away from epic! My friend and I are starting to put together a 1000 point army each. I chosse Eldar after falling in love with the harlequin models. Since all the new stuff has now come out we have agreed that I can unbound the harlequin troops that I'd like into the Eldar list so please bare that in mind.

At 1000 points my list so far is...

Harlequin troup & transport: 329pts
2x kiss
3x caress
3x neuro disruptor
2x fusion
Shadowseer
Starweaver

Warp spiders: 95pts
2x jet bikes: 102pts
Wraith lord with scatter laser: 140pts
Avatar: 195pts

Total: 861

Please help with the above! I have 140 points to play with and feel free to comment on the above. Not sure if what I have chosen is good or not!

Thanks

Welcome to Dakka.
The army has some Harlie flavor but is not very effective game-wise.
Serpents are the best transports and gun boats in the game.
If you have none, fine.

In your list, I'd add another Wraithlord.
This would give you a small monster mash army with Harlie support.

Have I gone overkill on my harlequins? Invested too may points? Or should I just ditch them altogether if they aren't very good?

What about my other choices? Perhaps I need more men on the ground? Would sacrificing the avatar be a good idea?

Like the idea if two wraithlords but should I instead go for a wraith knight? Prefer the lords if I'm honest!

Sorry for all the questions. As you can see very very new at this!

I vote for two wraithlords as opposed to one wraithknight. While the wraithknight is a truly awesome sight to behold, in a lower point value list, more bodies are often times (but not always) more effective than bigger toys. Also, for similar point values, two wraithlords take can take more guns than one wraithknight.

I own an lovingly painted my Avatar, but I would ditch him in this list. He is a close combat monster that gets shot at and dies, meaning he has a hard time getting into close combat if he has to run across the board. While the value of a shocking meat shield cannot be discounted, a ~200pt meat shield is expensive at the 1000pt level. Perhaps get more Harlequins with the points? Or more jetbikes?

In regards to the harlequins, if you are in love with them, then do not ditch them. I started my armies by getting models that I would love to build, paint, and own, then crafted strategy around them.

Tactics-wise, I see you using your wraithlords as long distance anti-vehicle units, your spiders as a middle distance harassing and/or objective grabbing units, and your harlequins as your anti-infantry melee units. I would drop the fusion pistols on the harlequins and get more kisses instead. The 6" range on the fusion pistol makes them tricky to use, where as more kisses make them more deadly in close combat where they shine. That being said, I have not seen the new Harlequin codex, so that advice may soon be obsolete.

1 Wraithknight is almost always better than 2 Wraithlords for a few reasons:

1. Cost. 2 Lords are 240 WITHOUT heavy weapons. The Knight is 240 and comes with S10 AP2 ID guns stock.
2. Speed. Wraithknight moves 12" and ignores terrain. nuff said.
3. Wounds. Wraithknight has 6, Wraithlords have 6 combined BUT, you lose 50% of your combat ability after you take 3.
4.Initiative. The Wraithknight strikes at I5, the lords strike at I4.
5. Strength. Wraithknight strikes at S10. This allows it to ID T5 models. Lords are S8 (9 with glaive) so can only ID T4.

The only thing the Lords have going for them is their samller size and MAYBE flamers, but War Walkers are better for shredding light infantry anyway.

Cough. Solitaire. Cough.

Your harlequin troupe seems to have confused gun selections, your two fusion pistols are infinitely worse against infantry than their Neuro counterparts and cost more, and if firing at a tank the rest of that units firepower seems largely wasted. I'd advocate going with one (or no) type of specialist pistol per troupe as opposed to mixed bag.

Thanks for all your help... So an updated list after dropping the avatar which I feel is more balanced

Harlequin troup & transport: 309pts
2x kiss
3x caress
5x neuro disruptor
Shadowseer
Starweaver

Warp spiders: 95pts
jet bikes: 51pts
Wraith Lord with ghostglaive, scatterlaser & starcannon: 165pts
Firedragon with exarch & fastshot: 135pts
Waveserpent with twin scatterlaser: 120pts

Then either
1. Prince Yriel: 140pts
2. Farseer + exarch warp spider with twin linked deathspinner & fast shot: 125pts
3. Autarch with warp jump and deathspinner + upgraded warp spider exarch as above: 120pts
4. wraithlord (who would my warlord be???) with ghostglaive: 125pts

Sorry for the long list but any advice would be superb!!!!!! Haven't bought any models so can chop and change easily!

prince is sorry bad you only have a single psyker and so defenetly the farseer make him your warlord BUT YOU CAN ADD THE LORD JUST USE AN UNBOUND LIST it removes the option of a war lord trait but that is fine I would Invest a little less in the harlequins and yea probably a wraith waithninght would be better but you can do what you want


Automatically Appended Next Post:
coriction wraith lords sry

Again sorry for my ignorance on the unbound rules.

So go for the Fraser with upgraded warp spider exarch. Which unit shall I put him with? The fire dragons or put him on a jet bike and add him to the unit of three?

Starting to ponder the harlequins too like you say they suck up a lot of points and in 1000 point army that reduces resources. Do I have enough troops? Wondering if going striking scorpions or howling banshees would be better as they have better armour but then don't pack the same punch ith the harlequins two attacks!

Quick question: can the harlequin troupe go in a wave serpent? Assume not.

Also what Is the best point spend on them?

Well assuming the rumoured Allies Matrix is true, yes since they are Battle Brothers.

It's just that currently, Wave Serpents can only be bought as DT, so you would have to leave the unit that bought the WS outside and then embark the Troupe in during your first turn.
Wouldn't know about best points, since I know next to nothing about stats (please be Saturday already )

I would add the Farseer to the Jetbike unit, makes it super fast, more durable and can cast Psychic Powers where you need them.

Banshees aren't really a viable choice. Scorpions see some use.

Thanks for you input Frozozone!

Saw a video about keeping the numbers of a harlequin troupe high and keeping them on the ground. Making a 4ish harlequins armed to the teeth and keeping 2-3 standard to act as canon fodder.

Also saw a video that ran the prince with a fire dragon squad to help each other out. Is he really that bad?!?

Well a few things,

Prince is a MEQ murdering machine but for a little on the heavy side of points, but killing stuff in CC is why you have harlequins.

The serpents are not open topped/assault so your harlequins cannot charge out of them, stick with harlequin transport or take Dark eldar raider/venoms.

Keep harlequin numbers on the high end, after all they are just T3 with a 5++ I would say 6+ harlequins.

If you are going unbound any character can be your warlord so that's not a problem.

You can take iyanden supplement which lets your wraithlord become your warlord.

I would take,

2 wraithlords with duel bright lances, for maximum AT.

Full squad of harlequins with however you modeled them, in a transport.

2 units of Jetbikes (guardian) for objective games/malestorm

And then you can in fact take some spiders with autarch and have a bound list (if harlequins are a ally/supplement codex).

Ok new list after a lot of research... Please bare in mind I still haven't played a game with eldar and I onky own a few models so can switch out most things!!

Harlequin troupe (5) all with kisses: 120
Shadowseer: 60
Starweaver transport: 70

Fire dragons (5) with exarch and fastshot: 130
Wave serpent transport with Holyfield and twin scatter: 135

Warp spider (5): 95

Jet bikes (3): 51

Wraithlord with scatter, starcannon and ghostglaive: 165

Farseer with singing spear:105
Dire Avengers with exarch: 75

Mainly will be playing against dark Angels... Thoughts???

2 war walkers instead of the wraithlord and switching the dire avengers for guardians was recommended?