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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/16 04:58:33
Subject: [1750] - Daemons - Alternate Tourney List
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Dark Angels Librarian with Book of Secrets
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I made up a second alternative list that I am thinking about. General thoughts? For the DP, I plan to take the Grimoire of True Names and use the Tzeentch to abuse his spells.
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Daemon Prince, Tzeentch, Wings, Armor, ML2, Exalted Reward, Greater Reward
Blood Thirster, Greater Rewards x2
Troops
Plague Bearers x10, Character Upgrade
Bloodletters x10, Instrument, Blood Banner
Pink Horrors, Instrument, Tzeentch Banner
Elites
Flamers of Tzeentch x5, Character Upgrade
Fast Attack[i]
Flesh Hounds of Khorne x20
Heavy Support[i]
Soul Grinder, Nurgle, Phlegm Bombardment
Soul Grinder, Slaanesh, Baleful Torrent, Warp Sword
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/16 08:54:32
Subject: Re:[1750] - Daemons - Alternate Tourney List
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Stubborn Dark Angels Veteran Sergeant
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Well, there are a lot of below par picks here.
Bloodthirsters, bloodletters, flamers, character upgrades and the warpsword are all things that either do things that can be done better by other units, or are unnecessary.
If it a tourney then you should expect to see some knights. Your list only has 2 soul grinders who have any hope of hurting them.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/16 15:29:11
Subject: [1750] - Daemons - Alternate Tourney List
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Dark Angels Librarian with Book of Secrets
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Right on. What do Daemons have that can reliably hurt a Knight? Can a Bloodthirster with Iron Arm or the +1 Etherblade hurt a Knight?
I know Plaguebearers can glance them on a 6, but that's not very reliable.
Edit: I should include it's more of a fluff tourney, so if I don't have the best stuff I'm not that worried. I am considering tossing the Bloodthirster in exchange for a Khorne Herald to lead my Flesh Hounds. What would you suggest to replace the Flamers?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/16 16:54:21
Subject: Re:[1750] - Daemons - Alternate Tourney List
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Stubborn Dark Angels Veteran Sergeant
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Losing the blood thirster for a herald sounds good.
Screamers are a good unit, and provide at leeast something to hurt heavy armour.
Be'lakor is another option. More invisibility never hurts.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/17 00:51:01
Subject: Re:[1750] - Daemons - Alternate Tourney List
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Dark Angels Librarian with Book of Secrets
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Big Blind Bill wrote:Losing the blood thirster for a herald sounds good.
Screamers are a good unit, and provide at leeast something to hurt heavy armour.
Be'lakor is another option. More invisibility never hurts.
Excellent. I'm planning on taking a DP of Tzeentch with an Exalted Reward for the Grimoire and a Greater Reward for the basic +1S Sword as some offensive power. Would ML2 Biomancy or ML2 Divination be better as a support? I've not used the Malefic Daemon abilities, so I'm not sure how well they work for support.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/17 04:22:53
Subject: Re:[1750] - Daemons - Alternate Tourney List
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Stubborn Dark Angels Veteran Sergeant
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Both divination and maelfic have a useful skill which boosts the invulnerable save of a unit, which can be combine to give a 2++ save (and a re-rollable one at that on Tzeentch units) if combined with the grimoire.
Divination with its re-roll misses can be useful, but I think most people would spring for summoning.
With the Tzeentch DP the staff would be a better and cheaper option than the greater etherblade. The +2 str of the staff is more potent as it allows you to ID toughness 4 models, as well as better engage vehicles without smashing.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/17 05:07:28
Subject: Re:[1750] - Daemons - Alternate Tourney List
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Dark Angels Librarian with Book of Secrets
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Big Blind Bill wrote:Both divination and maelfic have a useful skill which boosts the invulnerable save of a unit, which can be combine to give a 2++ save (and a re-rollable one at that on Tzeentch units) if combined with the grimoire.
Divination with its re-roll misses can be useful, but I think most people would spring for summoning.
With the Tzeentch DP the staff would be a better and cheaper option than the greater etherblade. The +2 str of the staff is more potent as it allows you to ID toughness 4 models, as well as better engage vehicles without smashing.
Ah right on. Is the staff worth it even though its only AP4?
Edit: Yeah, forgot Smash is only 1 attack now  staff it is!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/17 05:18:38
Subject: [1750] - Daemons - Alternate Tourney List
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Regular Dakkanaut
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Remember also the staff is AP2 since smash (which all Monstrous Creature's have) makes all attacks done by that model AP 2. If you're using hounds have you ever considered Karanak? He is a very strong herald with the dogs. Also if you want to run a Tzeentch prince then give someone else the grimoire. Since you can't use it on yourself and if he happens to get the 4++ save spell in divination, you could have a 2++ reroll 1's save DP running around. Automatically Appended Next Post: Another very strong option with Daemon Princes is to run a Daemon Prince of Slaanesh with 2x Greater Gifts and ML 3. Roll biomancy to try and nab Iron Arm. I recommend rolling for your psychic powers first. If you get Iron Arm then just take 2x Lash of Submission or whatever it's called as your greater gifts. This allows you to have 2d6 Str 9 AP - shots while flying around being annoying.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/17 05:38:37
Subject: [1750] - Daemons - Alternate Tourney List
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Dark Angels Librarian with Book of Secrets
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icefire78 wrote:Remember also the staff is AP2 since smash (which all Monstrous Creature's have) makes all attacks done by that model AP 2. If you're using hounds have you ever considered Karanak? He is a very strong herald with the dogs. Also if you want to run a Tzeentch prince then give someone else the grimoire. Since you can't use it on yourself and if he happens to get the 4++ save spell in divination, you could have a 2++ reroll 1's save DP running around.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Another very strong option with Daemon Princes is to run a Daemon Prince of Slaanesh with 2x Greater Gifts and ML 3. Roll biomancy to try and nab Iron Arm. I recommend rolling for your psychic powers first. If you get Iron Arm then just take 2x Lash of Submission or whatever it's called as your greater gifts. This allows you to have 2d6 Str 9 AP - shots while flying around being annoying.
Smash only applies to AP2 for 1 attack, you switch out all of your attacks for 1. I have, but the Khorne Herald can get a AP2 Axe with ID on 6's and gives the unit of Flesh Hounds Hatred.
I normally run the Slaanesh Prince, but I wanted to try a support DP, as I was planning to use the Grimoire mainly on the Flesh Hounds unit.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/17 05:58:08
Subject: [1750] - Daemons - Alternate Tourney List
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Stubborn Dark Angels Veteran Sergeant
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jreilly89 wrote:icefire78 wrote:Remember also the staff is AP2 since smash (which all Monstrous Creature's have) makes all attacks done by that model AP 2. If you're using hounds have you ever considered Karanak? He is a very strong herald with the dogs. Also if you want to run a Tzeentch prince then give someone else the grimoire. Since you can't use it on yourself and if he happens to get the 4++ save spell in divination, you could have a 2++ reroll 1's save DP running around.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Another very strong option with Daemon Princes is to run a Daemon Prince of Slaanesh with 2x Greater Gifts and ML 3. Roll biomancy to try and nab Iron Arm. I recommend rolling for your psychic powers first. If you get Iron Arm then just take 2x Lash of Submission or whatever it's called as your greater gifts. This allows you to have 2d6 Str 9 AP - shots while flying around being annoying.
Smash only applies to AP2 for 1 attack, you switch out all of your attacks for 1. I have, but the Khorne Herald can get a AP2 Axe with ID on 6's and gives the unit of Flesh Hounds Hatred.
I normally run the Slaanesh Prince, but I wanted to try a support DP, as I was planning to use the Grimoire mainly on the Flesh Hounds unit.
You need to have a look at the smash rules again. A model with smash always hits with at least ap2 in cc. Additionally he can choose to do the big double strength attack. So with the staff your prince will hit at str 8 ap2.
I think a herald with axe is much better than karnak. The axe instant death helps with dread and wraithknight tarpits.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2015/02/17 15:15:37
Subject: [1750] - Daemons - Alternate Tourney List
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Dark Angels Librarian with Book of Secrets
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Big Blind Bill wrote: jreilly89 wrote:icefire78 wrote:Remember also the staff is AP2 since smash (which all Monstrous Creature's have) makes all attacks done by that model AP 2. If you're using hounds have you ever considered Karanak? He is a very strong herald with the dogs. Also if you want to run a Tzeentch prince then give someone else the grimoire. Since you can't use it on yourself and if he happens to get the 4++ save spell in divination, you could have a 2++ reroll 1's save DP running around.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Another very strong option with Daemon Princes is to run a Daemon Prince of Slaanesh with 2x Greater Gifts and ML 3. Roll biomancy to try and nab Iron Arm. I recommend rolling for your psychic powers first. If you get Iron Arm then just take 2x Lash of Submission or whatever it's called as your greater gifts. This allows you to have 2d6 Str 9 AP - shots while flying around being annoying.
Smash only applies to AP2 for 1 attack, you switch out all of your attacks for 1. I have, but the Khorne Herald can get a AP2 Axe with ID on 6's and gives the unit of Flesh Hounds Hatred.
I normally run the Slaanesh Prince, but I wanted to try a support DP, as I was planning to use the Grimoire mainly on the Flesh Hounds unit.
You need to have a look at the smash rules again. A model with smash always hits with at least ap2 in cc. Additionally he can choose to do the big double strength attack. So with the staff your prince will hit at str 8 ap2.
I think a herald with axe is much better than karnak. The axe instant death helps with dread and wraithknight tarpits.
Edit: Yep, dunno what I was smoking
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This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2015/02/17 22:46:34
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