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HQ

Lord (110)
- PW
-BIKE
-MOK

Elite

Terminator [3] (155)
-2 x CF + Combi-melta
-Termi captain with CF + Combi Melta
- MOK

Troops

CSM [7] (175)
-melta
-PW + BP
-MOK
Dedicated transport - Rhino

CSM [7] (170)
-flamer
-P.W + B.P
-MOK
Dedicated transport - Rhino

Fast Attack

Raptors [5] (140)
- 2 x melta
- Champ with PW
- MOK

Bike Squad [3] (110)
-2 x plasma
-Champ with Combi melta


Heavy Support

Havocs [5] (135)
-4 x ML


Any thoughts Dakka ?

I am finding your list a little hard to follow. Are you meaning to take 2 combi weapons on the same terminator? if not they seem a little scattered and should be focused on one job. If so then they seem a little useless and I'm not sure that is legal. I think melta is better for bikes as they excel more at anti armor than anti infantry, but ymmv. You also should have some rhinos for your marines, as they will get shot to death against most armies if the have to walk. Further, plasma pistols (p.p.?) are way over costed and the points are better speant elswhere. The havacs are ok, but I prefer missiles for the flexibility. I think you need two meltas on your raptors and drop the power fist. You are losing an attack and htting at I1. Finally, I don't know if you expect to see any flyers but you have no defence against them. Even 1 storm talon would tear this army up pretty bad.

I have to agree with Blackscale.

Rhinos for the troops, MLs for the Havocs for flexibility. Drop PFs due to challenges, typically striking at I1 is not good for challenge-able models.

Sorry for the confusion all. I have adjusted the list to make it readable (I hope).

I like both your points and did actually think about rhinos originally. I think If I change the havocs to missile launchers , change the CSM squads to 7 and down grade A few extras I could squeeze in 2 rhinos.

Right I have upgraded the list:

- Havocs now how MLs
- P.Fs changed to PWs
- 2 Melta's with the Raptors
- Both CSM quads have a rhino
-PPs removed

I kept the Plasmas on the biker squad because i thought these plus the lord could quickly hunt down an enemy HQ or monstrous creature. What you think ?

If that is your intended use than plasma is good. I am still unsure about your terminators. Are you tring to equip them with two ranged weapons each? If so, it is ileagal.

 Lord Blackscale wrote:
If that is your intended use than plasma is good. I am still unsure about your terminators. Are you tring to equip them with two ranged weapons each? If so, it is ileagal.

Hopefully my last edit will have cleared that confusion. My termis are fit as a squad to kill tanks with chain fist and combi-meltas .


My only concern is that i might not have enough shots per turn to keep a horde army at bay.

Ah, C.F. was chainfist. lol I kept reading it as combi-flamers and combi-meltas. What power weapons are you wanting to use an each squad? I like my Lord to have an axe, as he is usually going to be fighting other I1 characters in his challenges, or going last is not such a big deal for him. For the Raptor I would go with a sword or maybe a mace, as you will often get to chose your battles with them more than with stadard marines. I like swords on foot champions, as they need to hit before they take that one wound, and you need to be able to take out MEQs.


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Sagentus wrote:
HQ

Lord (110)
- PW
-BIKE
-MOK

Elite

Terminator [3] (155) (160 points)
-2 x CF + Combi-melta
-Termi captain with CF + Combi Melta
- MOK

Troops

CSM [8] (175) (190 points)
-melta
-PW + BP
-MOK
Dedicated transport - Rhino

CSM [8] (175) (190 points)
-melta
-P.W + B.P
-MOK
Dedicated transport - Rhino

Fast Attack

Raptors [5] (140)
- 2 x melta
- Champ with PW
- MOK

Bike Squad [3] (110)
-2 x plasma
-Champ with Combi melta


Heavy Support

Havocs [5] (135)
-4 x ML

(1035 total points)
Any thoughts Dakka ?

On further review, I plugged this list into Battlescribe. See changes above. I will see if I can't find some tweaks to make this work better for you.

Pah i forgot to change my CSM squads to 7. I need to loose another 5 pnts somewhere hmm... I could change one of the melta's on a CSM squad to a flamer, that would save me 5pnts. What you think ?

This is the best I could come up with and keep your list mostly intact

HQ - 110
Chaos Lord - Bike, Power Axe, MoK

Elites - 150
Chaos Terminators - 2x Powerfist/ Combi-melta, Champ w/ Chainfist and combi-melta

Troops 350
Chaos Space Marines - 6x Marines, MoK, Champ with Power Maul/Sword(your choice), Meltagun, Rhino
Chaos Space Marines - 6x Marines, MoK. Champ with Power Maul/Sword(your choice), Meltagun, Rhino

Fast Attack - 240
Chaos Bikers - 2x Plasma Gun
Raptors - 2x Meltagun, Champ with Power Sword

Heavy Support - 135
Havocs - 4x Missle Launcher

1000 points on the nose. You lose some MoK, but your points are right. If you switch out meltas for the bike plasmas you can afford MoK on the raptors.

*edit* Dropped power weapon from havocs. Added MoK to Raptors. Unfortunatley that leaves you 1 point short of MoK on Bikers. Last 5 points can be spent on melta bombs for one of the champions.

 Lord Blackscale wrote:
This is the best I could come up with and keep your list mostly intact

HQ - 110
Chaos Lord - Bike, Power Axe, MoK

Elites - 150
Chaos Terminators - 2x Powerfist/ Combi-melta, Champ w/ Chainfist and combi-melta

Troops 350
Chaos Space Marines - 6x Marines, MoK, Champ with Power Maul/Sword(your choice), Meltagun, Rhino
Chaos Space Marines - 6x Marines, MoK. Champ with Power Maul/Sword(your choice), Meltagun, Rhino

Fast Attack - 240
Chaos Bikers - 2x Plasma Gun
Raptors - 2x Meltagun, Champ with Power Sword

Heavy Support - 150
Havocs - 4x Missle Launcher

1000 points on the nose. You lose some MoK, but your points are right. If you switch out meltas for the bike plasmas you can afford MoK on the raptors.

That's a pretty good looking list, not a fan of the raptors, but I haven't really tried them since 5th edition, so I am unsure of their utility. I would tend to try and favor more bikes over the assault squad though. Or I would drop the terminators, such a small group without a ride will be easy pickings.

I was trying to stick close to the OP. Raptors are good for killing light armor, like rhinos, and are pretty good on the assault. I personally like them with MoK or MoS.

The list looks nice. Just one question though, the point on the Havoc squad seems high (I work it out as 135), or have you given the champion a PW?

I mainly got raptors due to their look, but if i find bike re better i may switch them out. The aim was to make a list that was relatively balanced and could do ok in a tourney.

Sagentus wrote:
The list looks nice. Just one question though, the point on the Havoc squad seems high (I work it out as 135), or have you given the champion a PW?

I mainly got raptors due to their look, but if i find bike re better i may switch them out. The aim was to make a list that was relatively balanced and could do ok in a tourney.

You are correct on that. Let me fix my mistake.

Bikes and raptors serve simular uses, as they are both fastr units that can be kitted for anti-tank/anti-TEQ/ Anti-Horde. The main differences are the bikes have a higher toughness and more shots, but raptors are slightly better in assault. If done right both can get HoW, but raptors can get places easier a lot of the time. And don't discout fear on the raptors when fighting non-fearless non-ATSKNF armies.

Also, I only get 136pnts for the terminators, I could be missing something ^^

So, with mixing it up and testing both raptors and bikes i will hopefully find out which i prefer.

If I was to expand this list to 1500 pnts, how you recommend I go? Do I max out the CSM squads and add a heldrake for air support? or go more heavy anti tank?

Terminators as I equiped them are 43 points a model. Champion is 12 more. MoK is one point short of 2 meltabombs.As you equipped them they are 1 melta bomb more, each. You are figuring the price with power weapons, whitch are free, compared to power fists(7) or chainfist(12). I hope I am not going into to much detail on the cost here to cause a problem.


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As far as making it 1500, add a helldrake, max troops and give them each another melta, add MoK to what doesn't have it, add VotLW to everything, IoW on the bikers to help the lord, and throw in a maulerfiend to take out heavy armor. The Mauler will also make your opponet divide his attention between more fast moving targets. This leaves you at 1498 points.

I think i am still missing something.
Termi squad (95)
+ 2x PF (14)
+ CF (12)
+ 3 x combi-melta (15)
+ MoK (9)
= 145

I had the same thoughts on how to bring it to 1500 pnts, certainly would have plenty of models/firepower to cope with hordes and anti tank/air which is nice. I must admit the more i look at the heldrake the more i like it, i didnt like the model at first ^^. If you have any other things that you think could improve the list please list them

Champion(33) - Chainfist = 15, Combi-Melta = 7 -total 55 points
Term 1(31) - Powerfist = 7, COmbi-Melta = 5 - total 43 Points
Term 2 (31)- Powerfist = 7, COmbi-Melta = 5 - total 43 Points
MoK = 9 Points
total = 150 Points.

The Champion pays more for the same gear as his squad. He must choose from the "Terminator Weapons section of the Wargear list." They are priced differently than the weapon selection of the terminators in the squad. I have confirmed this bnoth with BattleScribe and the Codex.

Knew i was missing something, thank you for clearing that up I will keep that in mind for the future.

Is there any more idea as to how I could improve the list? Would I have to worry about fliers at 1000 points? If so could what I got deal with them?

If you need to deal with flyers heldrake is the only real option outside of FW. With FW you have anything from allies form IA13 to Hellblades to Contemptor Mortis Dreads.

I dont think chaos can get mortis alas.

I stand corrected. Replace that with the FIre Raptor. It is much btter anyway.

Yeah. Anti air is a real problem. (Especially as the fire raptor is out of my price range at the moment ). Flying tzeentch daemons have a hope against FMCs. AV12 flyers are very tricky.

I think i will stick with GW models for the moment, even though i have got the knorne terminator bodies from FW



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Lord BlackscaleMade in us, I took your advise on the expansion of the list to 1500 and come up with the following:

HQ - 115
Chaos Lord - Bike, Power Axe, MoK, VotlW

Elites - 159
Chaos Terminators - 2x Powerfist/ Combi-melta, Champ w/ Chainfist and combi-melta, MoK, VotlW

Troops - 510
Chaos Space Marines - 9x Marines, MoK, Champ with Power Maul, 2 x Meltagun, VotlW Rhino w/ havoc launcher
Chaos Space Marines - 9x Marines, MoK. Champ with Power Sword, 2 x Meltagun, VotlW, Rhino w/ havoc launcher

Fast Attack - 449
Chaos Bikers - 2x Plasma Gun, IoW, VotlW, MoK
Raptors - 2x Meltagun, Champ with Power Sword, VotlW, MoK
Helldrake

Heavy Support - 265
Havocs - 4x Missle Launcher, VotlW
Maulerfiend

Total - 1498

My worry is that I am spending to many ppints on upgrades, any thoughts Dakka?