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Hi Guys

So I'm in a growth campaign, armies started at 500pts and grow 500pts after every 2 campaign turns (or once a month).

By far the strongest player has been using skaven and dominating. Just tried to play against his 1000pt army and he turned 16/20 warriors into rats first turn.

He used: Lvl 4 (and got dreaded 13th), Lvl 1, 2 warp lightning cannons, Doom Rocket, 40 storm vermin, 20 clan rats.

I used 3 skull crushers w Mus, lvl2 w familiar and MoN (Lore of Nurgle), Nurgle Chariot, 20 Nurgle Warriors w shields, 5 Slaanesh Horsemen with Spears and Mus.

There was a river with one ford passing across the centre of the board.

What models would you use and what tactics would you use to try defeat him?

High toughness non-infantry. Dragon Ogres, Chaos Knights, Skullcrushers. Maybe even Throgg and his trolls. Multiple wounds and 4+ toughness are your friends.

Skaven are a pretty rough match up for WoC. They ignore a lot of your strengths, while not offering up much in return.

Turning 16-20 warriors into rats first turn is also extremely lucky.

Getting the spell: he can always get the spell with a Grey Seer. It's still 24" range, casts on 25+ (so a level 4 on average needs to 6 dice it), and then he gets 4d6 warriors into rats.

So it's possible, but it's sort of a perfect storm situation.

It also sounds like a river straight across the center of the board really favored his list. It slows you down while his WLCs go to town, etc.

That said, your Skull Crushers, Chariot and Horsemen are immune to Dreaded 13th. Get them there as soon as possible and trash his Grey Seer. Once the Seer goes down, his army will suffer from on LD boost, no magic suppoer (beyond a level 2 presumably Warp Engineer?) Hosemen might be better off vanguarding and trying to get to his WLCs ASAP.

His Greyseer was in his unit of vermin, warlock engineer in with the clanrats. How could I target them?

How should I take on his units? I assume a double charge is required against each unit (e.g. crushers and chariot into vermin?)

Forgot to mention - yes, chariots. Facing him, a core made up of chariots immunizes you to the 13th armywide. Issue facing 40x Vermin, they're just about always going to be steadfast unless you get 2x5 in the flank (without infantry, hard to do). Need to hit them exceedingly hard to start chomping down on their Ld bonuses. Triple chariots might rout them in a round. Or combo pair of Crushers / Dragon Ogres / Knights (any combination thereof, one in the flank).

 Brother Xavier wrote:
How should I take on his units? I assume a double charge is required against each unit (e.g. crushers and chariot into vermin?)

Your crushers will obliterate anything in his list, you just need to get them there. The WLC are the only thing stopping them - he doesn't appear to have much to chaff you up with, which is silly because Skaven have great chaff - so I'd say you really just need to be aggressive. Storm forward full with everybody in your first moves, putting the pressure on him to respond. Sometimes he'll be able to ... and sometimes all his stuff will blow up. Once WoC make contact, Skaven don't have a ton of resistance to offer, as they tend to suffer badly against armor once in combat. Especially armor that wants to tear their faces off!

And yes, I'mma call shenanigans on that river. Did the Skaven player by any chance place said river? Or convince you that dividing the board in half with a piece of terrain that doesn't block LoS but makes moving/charging difficult is a good idea?

That's so like a Skavenses

- Salvage

Unless you tailor your list to completely negate the 13th, it's really something you are stuck going against.
With his list as shown you can use hellstriders to rush a cannon and quickly remove that threat. 20" March will put you in charge range turn 2 and he doesn't rea.ly have any screening units.
Place your whole army and put it on the side of his clan rats and push forward as fast as possible. Force his storm vermin to move around his clan rats.
Your skull crushers should have no problem dealing with the 20 rats and may even cause panic to nearby units. If the are far apart then that's just better for you.
Just push everything into 1enemy unit at a time. Chaos is strong enough to soak up the damage and will make short work of any unit if you get multiple charges.
If you choose chariots you need the multiple charge. You'll need 3 wounds onto he charge just to tie combat. If he gets a lucky wound in you may end up running.

Ok wicked. So it sounds like what I fielded wasn't too bad, just could have swapped/reduced the warriors and added another chariot, and I have the models to add 5 knights.

The campaign also has HE, OKx2, Empire, Liz, VC. The two other most experienced players seem to be the HE and Empire players.

Also there is still a few wilderness tiles which are Night Goblins.
I've tried attacking the wilderness twice at 500pts and lost both.
He fielded 2x20 NG w spears, 20NG w bows, fanatic, wizard, BSB, and a hero with great weapon.

I was running a nurgle chariot, 5 dogs, 5 knights, sorc of tzeentch, I realised the reason I lost was beckause I wan't combining the chariot and knights into one charge. I was taking each unit on individually.

What one list would you recommend at 1000pts to take on these armies, particularly the HE, Empire, Skaven and Night Goblins?